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To think MIL is not racist....but so f*cking ignorant & shouldn't be around DCs

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rockacrybaby · 30/04/2016 22:01

I have a very mixed family but am more or less black. Coffee coloured. DH is white. Race has never been an issue on either side but his damn mother keeps on saying the most infuriating things and DH and FIL keeps on shrugging it off as "she's just from a different time/ it's just silly ignorance"

When I think about what my family has been through I just cannot dismiss it as such. I've done the whole "Oh come on" polite speech but she just laughs me off as being defensive: "Oh I don't mean you, you're different"

Examples:

On DD1 when she was just born: "Oh, she's beautiful - not even as dark as I expected."

A conversation about an advert urging people to foster BAME kids: "Yes well of course more of them are in the system they just don't value family as much as other people do they?"

On first meeting me : "Oh you're quite well spoken"

On me straightening DD1s hair as a one off for a special occasion: "Her hair is so much prettier like this - so much less unruly"

On DD saying "I'm from Jamaica!" because her nanna is from there and we just got back from a trip and she's proud of her mixed heritage : "Oh but not that much darling"

On black lives matter : "Why are they so angry? If you behave like a hooligan you will be treated as such"

It really upsets me and I don't want my DCs hearing this shit. Yes their dad is white but they are still people of colour and I don't want them growing up hearing the shit I heard which made me feel inferior at times.....from their own damn grandma!!!

I don't even want them thinking about bloody race but it's like she cant help herself from making comments which subtly remind them that they are different from their blond haired blue eyes cousins. They are subtle and not all the time but enough to plant a seed.

Told DH MIL's comments aren't getting better and I'd I refuse to fight with her about it. I've addressed her comments nicely several times and she just laughs me off. DH is being useless. Seems to think that because she's not in the KKK its all petty.

I don't know what to do.

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Janecc · 01/05/2016 21:04

You have in no way failed your DD. She will get through the pain and you as a strong and loving mother will be there to help her. Yes, you may feel you wish to apologise to your DD for not realising sooner that your mil made atrocious comments. The care and time you are going to put in with her to address her grandmothers comments will make you both stronger because she will be given another clear message about just how special she is and just how much you love her. You and your dh sound incredibly strong and you will all get through this.

RaeSkywalker · 01/05/2016 21:06

rock you are not a failure!

Sorry Jane but I don't sympathise with the FIL here, or buy into the 'rock' and 'hard place' concept- that implies that the OP's race is a problem. The OP has done nothing wrong. FIL has failed to protect his own child and grandchildren through his apathy. Or- worse - he agrees with his wife.

Booboostwo · 01/05/2016 21:09

It sounds like this was an ongoing and very serious issue that potentially could have affected your DCs deeply, so at least now you know and you are dealing with it.

I want to apologize if I gave the wrong impression, we are not a mixed race family, DH and I are both the same race but come from different national origins and my mother was disparaging of DS for 'looking like an immigrant' in a social context of very heightened tensions between people of different origins (not UK). There is a lot of racism against immigrants of different origins and specific problems between the nations of our two families, so my mother's comment was specifically intended to denigrate DS for his appearance and his background. Disgusting behavior and I find it difficult to believe I am related to the woman.

amarmai · 01/05/2016 21:11

you are the expert not your dh as your instinct tells you what rings the racist bell. Your dh has to come on board and granny has to stop or each time she says this stuff you contradict her right there and then and teach your dc what is what OR she does not see them until she quits.

ScreenshottingIsNotJournalism · 01/05/2016 21:13

"I do think the other family members even including your fil have been between a rock and a hard place."

No. That's what happens when two people have a personality clash. Not what happens when one person is the race they were born with, and the other person is a c*nt about it.

ZigZagIntoTheBlue · 01/05/2016 21:13

How far is it to Mil house? Will dh text you when he is there safely? Flowers for you, you've had the shittiest of days but Yadnbu and this is all her. Are the kids due home with you tonight or staying with BIL?

rockacrybaby · 01/05/2016 21:14

BeckyWithTheMediocreHair Your name is hilarious. I'm sure you're a beckywiththegoodhair Grin

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Janecc · 01/05/2016 21:14

Rae as the daughter of a bigoted and racist narcissist, I have seen my mothers husband countless times huff and puff at his wife and never defended himself. Even when I defended him to her, he looked blankly at me as though I was mad when in reality he was just too scared to say anything. I was bloody cross to say the least but I still feel sorry for him because he just got stuck in a low self esteem rut with her. Hence my comment regarding the fil. Yes, I get what you are saying. Fil is definitely an enabler but I don't think he's racist. Maybe I'm wrong.

reader77 · 01/05/2016 21:21

I am so sorry you are going through this. I don't even know you and I felt sick and tearful reading this.

My kids are of mixed heritage and I've made a subtle but concerted effort to counter the ideals of beauty that are so prevalent where we live. Emphasising how beautiful black women are etc. Now my dd2 is a teen she notices that most adverts etc promote white ideals of beauty etc.

Dealing with this shit in your own family...just sending you hugs.

RaeSkywalker · 01/05/2016 21:22

Either way Jane he's not stuck between a rock and a hard place- he's not being asked to choose between 2 equally valid points of view here. As you say, he is probably an enabler- but if not then I fear that he is ask a racist.

I don't feel sorry for him. Screen has nailed it in their post up thread.

reader77 · 01/05/2016 21:23

Btw my ex-mil was a nurse and said white people had different coloured blood (she was black, I'm white)

Bloody nutter!

Janecc · 01/05/2016 21:30

Rae Screen sorry no that's not what I meant at all. Maybe I don't understand the meaning of the expression correctly. I thought the meaning of what I was saying the same thing as Geofreysgoat about the difficult choice to keep schtum or not. In any case, that's what I actually meant.

BeckyWithTheMediocreHair · 01/05/2016 21:32

rocka would you believe that BeckyWithTheGoodHair was already taken when I went to do my name change? Whoever bagged it isn't even using it. Such a waste.

rockacrybaby · 01/05/2016 21:33

FIL is really the most quiet guy you will ever meet. He isn't racist. He's spineless yes - racist no. Some people become racist later on in life and I think that's the case here. As I mentioned before she went on a back in the 70's and 80's I understood your troubles but it's 2016 and you still behave like thugs rant to explain herself. I think because it's recent he thinks it's a phase - they've been married for 45 years I believe.

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emilybohemia · 01/05/2016 21:34

Mum in law's behaviour is racist and abusive and father in law huffs and puffs and tuts by the sounds of it, minimising and enabling. This is the wife of his son, a member of his family and his grandchildren. He is a racist too or in denial of his wife's behaviour. It's not good enough. He has had numerous opportunities to make it clear she is bang out of order.

emilybohemia · 01/05/2016 21:36

Sorry rock, posted that before seeing your last post!

rockacrybaby · 01/05/2016 21:40

BeckyWithTheMediocreHair Imagine my MIL watching lemonade.
I'm trying to keep my spirits up Wine but am anxious about a big fat family shit storm. Inevitably everyone who condemns racism will have to cut her off. She will be isolated from everyone. BIL1 and his wife already said unless they can convince her to retract every last word they will go ahed with NC too. Plus BIL2 and his wife seem mortified and will at least sit her down within the week. BIL 2 has a 17 year old who would never ever ever speak to her nanny after she finds this out which she obviously will. It's going to get so deep. This wont be quiet or go away. Im dreading it.

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GeoffreysGoat · 01/05/2016 21:42

It's not your fault

rockacrybaby · 01/05/2016 21:43

And where the fuck is DP? Oh guys I can't take the damn suspense my tummy has been in knots since yesterday night when we decided we would say something this afternoon which turned into a drama which is still going on now.

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rockacrybaby · 01/05/2016 21:43

*DH (not that it matters)

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BeckyWithTheMediocreHair · 01/05/2016 21:46
might make you smile while you wait for DH.
rockacrybaby · 01/05/2016 21:46

GeoffreysGoat But why didn't I investigate immediately? Why didn't I ask MIL privately as soon as she made those comments? I was too weary of being a sensitive black woman and alienating my new family. Now look! All this shit going on under my nose. I have failed.
Going to finish my glass bottle of wine and just go to bed. Hopefully tomorrow will be a new day.
Thanks everyone.
Thanks so much Flowers

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GeoffreysGoat · 01/05/2016 21:47

Have you got any chamomile tea? Have something soothing and look up funny cat videos on YouTube. Actually, if you can isolate the history, I'd be looking at the adult versions of Duck Song...

GeoffreysGoat · 01/05/2016 21:48

Because as women - of whatever race - we're conditioned not to make a fuss?

Liska · 01/05/2016 21:54

What Goat said. But also - you simply didn't know how bad things were. You couldn't have imagined she would be stooping that low.