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To prioritise my husbands job

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Yellowsun11 · 23/04/2016 11:21

Back ground is I have a decent degree , but due to mental health issues proberbly haven't gone as far as I could . I'm
Not particularly interested in a career . Iv had jobs I like but my priority is balancing my home life while children are secondary age and younger . Part because husband earns a fair bit more than me but also because the strain of us both doing full time with my health and family is to much . A couple of friends are horrified by this and have hinted it's not the done thing in this day and age ! Just wondered others views -and situation . I surely aren't the only woman to work round her husbands job? If I could earn as much as him I'm sure he would be part time , - but I can't. And we want one of us to be home for them ( the majority of the time )

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NewLife4Me · 26/04/2016 21:37

Perhaps accuse is the wrong word, maybe assume would be better.

pearly Me too Grin
My dh would have supported whatever decision I made, we could have easily afforded a nanny to accompany us on trips abroad either together or individually.
It wasn't what I wanted, at all.
Over the years we have both made compromises on many things but never work.
If I had wanted a job we'd have discussed the best way forward and dh would have changed his work around, it wouldn't have been impossible.
That's what a good marriage is imo, not challenging each other but talking, not stopping each other from doing what they want and learning how to compromise.

HarlotBronte · 26/04/2016 21:54

I would never use the word subjugated, but nobody actually knows whether the choices they make have been influenced by societal factors or not. It Doesn't Work Like That.

Philoslothy · 26/04/2016 22:08

I think maternity leave is an obvious factor in women "choosing" to stay at home. For most of us I would have thought being at home is easier than going out to work. So we get a taste of this easier life on maternity leave and want more of it.

I had a very short maternity leave with my son for financial reasons but was lucky that with the others that I could take longer. I have to admit that rather selfishly with our children I have just taken the SAH role because I could see that the grass was definitely greener.

Unfortunately my enjoyment of the green grass is holding back women and acknowledge that. However I am flawed, selfish and quite frankly don't want to work that hard any more. Two of my three girls have seen me flourish in different careers. That is as much as I can do

pearlylum · 26/04/2016 22:14

"Unfortunately my enjoyment of the green grass is holding back women and acknowledge that."

I don't accept any blame at all.

pearlylum · 26/04/2016 22:18

The myth of being able to have it all is far more soul destroying.

Working long hours, being a hands on mother, doing most of the housework, maintaining a relationship ,struggling by on little sleep and frayed nerves.

I don't think that is progress, yet the situation many women find themselves in. Doesn't sound like liberation to me.

Philoslothy · 26/04/2016 22:21

As a mother of three girls I feel immense guilt. To be honest as the mother of boys I also feel guilty.

If my daughters chose a path like mine and they were genuinely happy I would be happy for them. I just hope that they are not judged for bring a working parent if they choose that. I hope their partners do not assume that because they have ovaries that they are housework experts. I hope that if they wish to they can work flexibly. I hope that my sons are able to have time at home with their children if they wish. I hope that my sons are not treated as spectators to the birth and early life of their children. I hope my sons never congratulate themselves on "helping" with their own children or the running of their homes. I hope my daughters don't end up working and doing the majority of household chores. I hope all my children freely choose their careers.

By taking the easier path for myself I may have made the above harder for my own children.

Philoslothy · 26/04/2016 22:24

Working long hours, being a hands on mother, doing most of the housework, maintaining a relationship ,struggling by on little sleep and frayed nerves.

If you are working long hours why would you be doing most of the housework?

pearlylum · 26/04/2016 22:30

I don't see it like that. I have nurtured my son and daughter closely, with respect, they have seen the value of having a mother at home constantly for them. They appreciate that, as their father appreciates me.
They look up to me as they know I am not a servant in the home, but the one who holds the financial strings in the family, and is the one who takes the bigger part of making important family decisions.
They see their father treating me like gold, doing as much housework as he can- when he is home at weekends I rarely enter the kitchen. watch me indulging my own hobbies and interests.
I have shown them creative ways with money- both have been making £100 a month or so since they have been 15, without a job.

ZigAZigAhh · 26/04/2016 22:33

The myth of being able to have it all is far more soul destroying.

Working long hours, being a hands on mother, doing most of the housework, maintaining a relationship ,struggling by on little sleep and frayed nerves.

Genuine question then - why is the ability to "have it all" a "myth" for women, yet men seem to be able to have it all with no questions asked?

And why on earth does having it all mean doing most of the housework and seemingly having the burden of maintaining a relationship? Why can't men do an equal portion of the housework and also maintain the relationship? And why, if women are working long hours, can't men work less hours to ease the burden and help them both get more sleep and less frayed nerves??

pearlylum · 26/04/2016 22:33

"If you are working long hours why would you be doing most of the housework?"

Many women do though, women on this site are constantly complaining about men not pulling their weight around the home.

Philoslothy · 26/04/2016 22:35

Many women do though, women on this site are constantly complaining about men not pulling their weight around the home

Before giving up a career surely it would be better to give up the lazy man

pearlylum · 26/04/2016 22:37

zig= men don't have it all though.

givepeasachance · 26/04/2016 22:37

"Working long hours, being a hands on mother, doing most of the housework, maintaining a relationship ,struggling by on little sleep and frayed nerves."

I am sorry but there you go again with your stereotypical judgements about working mothers

I am not frazzled, I don't have very little sleep or frayed nerves. I just go to work and have a family

I ran a marathon last week, and I even squeezed all my training around working and having 2 children. It is possible.

I don't shout at my kids, I have fun with my kids. We go out, we do things, we have a fantastic relationship.

I don't stress about housework, and sometimes my house is a tip. So what.

I have a boyfriend who I see a few times a week and even have great sex (shock)

My life is not what you keep assuming it is and sometimes from where I am standing, I just see people who make excuses not to show up in life and instead live through their families - as I said earlier - a mass codependency and the codependent anger comes in your 50s and 60s when you have nothing in your life after giving to others all your life. And yes, this is a women's issue because it is predominantly women who do it.

I see SAHMs who don't even have a hobby FFS. It's like a strange martyrdom and yes it bugs the shit out of me....again, because it is 99% of the time the women doing it, blindly accepting their societal determined roles.

ZigAZigAhh · 26/04/2016 22:39

Pearly - why not? What does "having it all" even mean? What can a woman have that a man can't have in that respect?

pearlylum · 26/04/2016 22:39

"Before giving up a career surely it would be better to give up the lazy man"

Agreed!!

pearlylum · 26/04/2016 22:41

" a mass codependency and the codependent anger comes in your 50s and 60s when you have nothing in your life after giving to others all your life. And yes, this is a women's issue because it is predominantly women who do it."

Oh please.

givepeasachance · 26/04/2016 22:42

I don't even know what "having it all means"

So I just assume it is a method of shutting up women when they ask for something more (or equal)

Philoslothy · 26/04/2016 22:43

I agree that most women manage it - if they have supportive partners. I was trying to work 70 hours a week, run a big house, keep our smallholding going, oversee a small business , keep hobbies and social life going and care for six children. To be honest I managed most of that most of the time with five children, the sixth tipped me over the edge!

pearlylum · 26/04/2016 22:43

"It's like a strange martyrdom and yes it bugs the shit out of me...."

givepeas= you seem very angry about this and I'm not sure why. What upsets you so much?
You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about SAHMs.

Philoslothy · 26/04/2016 22:45

I see SAHMs who don't even have a hobby FFS. It's like a strange martyrdom and yes it bugs the shit out of me....again, because it is 99% of the time the women doing it, blindly accepting their societal determined roles

That is stupid, I would have thought that having a parent at home creates more time for hobbies rather than less.

I meant not having hobbies is stupid not the post.

givepeasachance · 26/04/2016 22:51

No not upset, however it is frustrating seeing so many women compromise their lives so drastically. The title of this very thread demonstrates that. It is not an unusual stance and yes, the ramifications of women taking this stance goes right across all women so it affects me too as it continues to reinforce women's role in society.

My female friends are crucial in my life, they are the ones who have been and will be there forever. I care about women and our place. And sometimes I despair of the 'choices' women make, unaware of the vulnerabilities they face.

SAHMs don't offend me in any way, what I hate is the process of them getting there with the huge expectations put on women, and then them unquestionably accepting it, the brainwashing if you like.

givepeasachance · 26/04/2016 22:53

Re the hobbies - what I see is the Working Men going off at the weekend to relax with some extremely time consuming hobby e.g. cycling, while the woman holds the fort, as per usual.

Most SAHM's I know wouldn't dream of fucking off for most of Sunday on a bike.

Philoslothy · 26/04/2016 23:16

Most SAHM's I know wouldn't dream of fucking off for most of Sunday on a bike.

I would and sometimes do Grin

givepeasachance · 26/04/2016 23:21

Good! I am glad!

I am a member of a tri club and there is a distinct lack of women in their late 20s and 30s. And that is true in the events too. Not the case with the men of that age.

There are loads of stats on that. Men take more leisure time than women. Why is that? Because women don't feel they deserve to because they don't bring in the cash??

So not only do they give up their careers they give up all their leisure time too. Go figure.

Brokenbiscuit · 26/04/2016 23:28

Everyone's circumstances are different. It's easy for those of us in relatively senior positions at work to wonder why men don't just work more flexibly, but I think it's often more difficult if you're further down the organisational hierarchy - you're not in the same position to challenge the status quo or influence how things are done, and you may not even get to set your own priorities/choose how to approach your workload. Senior managers are typically judged by results, not by how late they leave the office, but that's not always true further down the tree, and not everyone gets to decide what their working day looks like.

People respond to stress differently too. Some people can juggle multiple priorities happily and successfully. Others just seem to find life more difficult, and for whatever reason, it may be too much for some to combine FT work and family. We all have different levels of energy and resilience. And perhaps it's easier or more socially acceptable for women to say that they've given up work to look after their children/support their DH's career than it would be to say that they have left their careers in order to preserve their mental health?

And then, children aren't all the same either. Some may have particular needs that make it easier to have a parent at home, while others really thrive in childcare settings. Some get sick more often than others, and more time is needed to care for them. Some families have one child, others have many more, with differing age gaps etc. Some people have a lot of family support, others have none. And so on.

There's no way that I would ever choose to walk away from my career, because I have seen the bitter regrets experienced by my mum as a result of staying at home with us when we were kids. I want to model a happier model of work-life balance for my dd, and with an incredibly flexible job, I am confident that I can do that. However, I know that's my particular frame of reference for this stuff, and that's what motivates me. Others will look at these issues through a completely different lens altogether, and I guess they will reach their own conclusions.

I do regard myself as a feminist, but I don't see those who choose to SAH as letting the side down in any way, or perpetuating the patriarchy - they're just doing whatever feels right for themselves and their families. Are their choices influenced by wider social norms? Yes, probably, but I don't really think that the onus is on individuals to break those norms. And I imagine that we all make choices that are influenced by society in one way or another. Are they putting themselves in a vulnerable position by being financially dependent on another person? Yes, potentially, but they can take steps to minimise their risk.

I'm afraid I do get a bit irritated with the smug assumptions about frazzled working mums who don't have time for play dates or family days out, can't collect their children from school in case of sudden illness and certainly wouldn't have time for any hobbies, as if that's the only alternative to being a SAHP, but I guess it's just ignorance. Or perhaps, in some cases, people feeling the need to justify their choices.

Ultimately, if you and your family are happy with the choices that you've made, then you shouldn't have to justify those choices to anyone.

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