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AIBU?

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To think it wasn't my fault that her coat got dirty

504 replies

NatureRun · 18/04/2016 08:00

In a busy coffee shop with 8-month-old DS and our NCT group. A woman pulled an extra chair up to join her friends at crowded table next to us. She sat down within grabbing range of DS and before I could stop him he twisted round in highchair and grabbed hold of her pale grey coatigan thing that she'd draped over chair and wiped his mouth on it Shock He had prune puree and yogurt around his mouth as I was feeding him Blush

Woman jumped up angrily and told me off. I apologised profusely but she was really angry. She insisted I pay for dry-cleaning. I refused (had she been nicer I may have offered) but she was making a scene and I loathed her.

If you sit within grabbing distance of a prune-covered baby surely that's not my fault? Or am I BU?

OP posts:
spankhurst · 19/04/2016 12:46

YANBU. She overreacted. Surely it would have swiped off with a baby wipe easily enough? I can understand her being irritated but 'really angry'? These things happen.

FlyRussianUnicorn · 19/04/2016 12:49

Overreaction shouting at you like a naughty school child, but I would of offered to pay for dry cleaning before she even asked. So your YABU for that- but not for her "shouting" at you. I think both of you need to remember who the toddlers are.

BabyBuzz · 19/04/2016 13:02

Irrelevant, but am I the only one who thinks that coatigan looks unflattering?
I would have apologised. Depending on the material, does the garment really need to be dry cleaned? The woman probably reacted in the heat of the moment and will be a little more reasonable when she calms down. How did it end? Did you exchange details?

Gobbledygooked · 19/04/2016 13:07

These things happen, especially when you are around babies. If she is that precious, she should have sat elsewhere. You apologised, her reaction was unnecessary, even if you were annoyed, in the grand scheme of things, I feel it is an over reaction. I'm sure it will come out in the wash.

BabyBuzz · 19/04/2016 13:12

Baby's are messy especially when eating. My dc usually have more food on themselves and their table, than in their mouths when feeding. It could have been designer or a material that is not machine washable so maybe this is why she wanted it dry cleaned. I could see why she was angry, but shouting abuse at you, especially in the presence of young children, was not going to make the situation any better

mikado1 · 19/04/2016 13:15

This reminds me of the time a 2yo visited all over my new born in his car seat while I was putting ds1's coat on-a split second thing. Mother was mortified and didn't even have wipes but nearly killed herself with the ones I gave her trying to clean it up I could only reassure her it was ok she felt so bad. I had never seen her before but have bumped into her at least once a month since-watch out OP! I think she was being U in her attitude but you were a little too, in thinking you weren't responsible for making it right.

mikado1 · 19/04/2016 13:18

By the way my 9mo would also laugh, he does it every time ds1 has a pasty about something and it drives him mad!

mikado1 · 19/04/2016 13:19

paddy !

Marynary · 19/04/2016 13:23

She shouldn't have got angry but it could have been your reaction that made her cross. Although you say you "apologised profusely" considering that you don't think you are in anyway responsible for the actions of your children, I am sceptical that you sounded at all sincere.

Lpel · 19/04/2016 13:29

Concentrate on your DS when feeding. You were probably too busy talking to your group to keep an eye on him. I'd have been furious if that happened to my clothing. Yes YABU.

Primaryteach87 · 19/04/2016 13:54

Amazed by how many people go around offering/demanding dry cleaning money any time an accident occurs. It just wouldn't enter my head to ask or offer! I do think accidents happen and we all learn from them and move on! My friend once destroyed a brand new MacBook with a glass of wine, I just accepted it and claimed on insurance. I would have thought to demand her for money- that's why we have insurance!!

Primaryteach87 · 19/04/2016 13:54

^wouldnt

Michellelovesizzy · 19/04/2016 13:56

Lool babies do things that is out of our control!! If someone starts getting argressive when your apologings then there is not alot u can do! I would not be paying for some ones dry cleaning when they have been so openly rude! Kids are kids shit happens I would have given her the two fingers!!! If she had been reasonable then so would I!!!

DuckAndPancakes · 19/04/2016 14:33

If my baby grabbed something that was dangled within his reach (like most babies do with most things) and it got dirty... I would of course apologise and enquire if they were okay.
If owner of garment shouted at me, I'd have probably told them to go and fuck themselves.
If they'd said "oh no, it's dry clean only... Bugger" I'd have probably said "let me pay for its next clean. Little GrabbyHands is a bit of a shit at times, sorry again"

This reminds me of when I was at school. Struggling to get my fountain pen working so shook the bastard thing up and it managed to flick ink on the back of the teachers shirt. Some arsehole decided to tell him I'd done it on purpose and my parents were called in and told to pay for a brand new shirt. Luckily, my mum is a legend and said "its ink. I've washed it out of shirts for the past 20 years with no trouble, I'm sure one more in the load will be no trouble. Give it to me and I'll return it tomorrow in pristine condition." Funnily enough, the shirt wasn't handed over (probably as it had already been washed)

itsalldyingout · 19/04/2016 15:41

Never had this when mine was a baby as baby groups were held in local halls etc. We were all mums with messy LOs so all knew the consequences of being within reaching distance of grabby hands.

When I took DD out I would make sure I'd keep her as clean as poss (and this was in the days just before wipes so a damp flannel was always in my kit), to avoid her messing up both myself and others. I never had this happen to me, but would have apologised and offered to pay without being asked, whether the other person was being a bit precious or not. My child, my responsibility.

DD had a similar experience to you a few weeks back. Despite my nagging warnings, eyes were off the ball for a few seconds! These things happen. She apologised and offered to pay for dry cleaning immediately. Diffused potential embarrassing melt-down immediately (DD reckoned she was almost certainly a child-free, professional type - bit like DD pre-baby).

Funnily enough, we'd had the "what would you do" when we were out in a restaurant last summer (past 9pm), where the parents of a toddler were in a group and just letting her wander around the restaurant with a chocolate bar (I think I remember mentioning a chocolate bomb was about to go off!), and I was wearing white trousers.

Well, chocolate bomb DID go off on another woman's cream dress. Toddler's family hadn't even noticed she'd gone halfway across the restaurant until Mrs Cream Dress shot up, knocked both chair and toddler over and screams ensued. (Toddler unhurt, but startled.)

Toddler's family were almost feral in reaction - frightening to see the aggression flare so quickly - blaming Mrs Cream Dress. Half the restaurant had seen this coming as toddler had bothered most of the patrons at some point during the evening. Owner had to come over and break it up. Then he had to offer a free meal to Mrs Cream Dress as compensation towards the cleaning. Toddler's group were asked to leave.

I don't think it was up to the owner to compensate, but it was pretty obvious nothing was forthcoming from the toddler's group. It went through my mind for days after that someone could have snatched that little girl and her family wouldn't realise until it was too late - but I digress. This (hopefully) isn't a common situation and has nothing to do with OP's question as such.

I still believe that when you're out and about with LOs, you need to be responsible for their actions and have a bit of thought for other people. They may be on their way to an important meeting or a variety of other situations that they don't envision coming across LOs with sticky fingers. They may also have no experience of children and don't expect or realise how fast they can move when they want to.

The woman in question may have been a regular at the coffee shop but not have come across your group before. I'm assuming it was busy at that time, and a bit cramped. She may have had a stressful morning and needed her cuppa. She probably has no experience with children. She was just a perfect stranger expecting to relax. I don't think YABU with regards to the way she reacted as such, but I do think YABVU the way you did.

Your child, your responsibility, you pay. Keep it calm and civil, and never over-react, even if other person is acting like a total witch. Walk a mile in their shoes before you judge.

bumblebee1234 · 19/04/2016 15:46

My partner hates the idea of taking babies out they have a tendency to make a mess. YANU she was stupid enough to sit right next to a baby what was you suppose to do move the high chair to the other side. The woman sounds absolutely selfish you said sorry to her but it wasn't enough she wanted to sit close to her friends and I think she wanted you to move. Your baby was in her way why the aggression.

GraysAnalogy · 19/04/2016 15:51

Remind me to avoid babies in public at all cost lest people think I should expect to get dirty and get slagged off for daring to wear a 'coatigan' Hmm

SuburbanRhonda · 19/04/2016 16:03

she was stupid enough to sit right next to a baby

I had no idea people really thought like this.

GraysAnalogy · 19/04/2016 16:04

^

Probably the same sort of folk who'd then complain about places banning babies so people can't win either way.

bumblebee1234 · 19/04/2016 16:05

This thread has lots to say 17 pages in 2 days. I think in future if this happens again I would warn them that you have a messy child and if they ignore and it happens then its their business. Wait until your child is 1 the food will go every where. You could do 1 of 2 things:

  1. Keep your baby away from restaurants or cafe's until he or she learns table manners.
Or
  1. You keep him well away from people when feeding him or her food it is a messy affair especially when they start feeding themselves.
MistressMerryWeather · 19/04/2016 16:27

Oh, the coatigan stuff was harmless fun on the thread.

Do you own one Grays?

ILikeUranus · 19/04/2016 16:28

Erm, "warn them you have a messy child"? Who the fuck doesn't have a messy child when they're a baby? They're all messy, obviously! In any case, in the scenario described, OP would have got as far as 'I just want to warn you that... ...er, that might happen'.

I can't believe how many people on this thread think the OP should be handing money over to whoever her baby brushes up against, how ridiculous! When you go out in public, your clothes might get dirty. It's a risk you take and it's your own responsibility to clean and maintain your own clothes.

GraysAnalogy · 19/04/2016 16:29

No I don't even know what one is but people complain about bitchyness on one thread then tear a woman's attire apart on another, it's laughable.

MistressMerryWeather · 19/04/2016 16:43

The word coatigan is silly, people just went along with that.

Hardly bitchy.

Boredworkingmum020 · 19/04/2016 17:59

I would prob have apologised and offered to get it cleaned (if it was obliviously dry clean. Otherwise I'd have handed over the baby wipes (there is after all no substance known to man these won't shift). If she was Being a cow in front of children I'd have told her she was being inappropriately rude/ poured my coffee over her depending on how frazzled I felt