'What British Muslims Really Think'.

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This Ch4 documentary can't possibly be representative of all British Muslims when only 1081 were polled......can it?

AIBU to think that, for some, this kind of documentary will only ever be seen as evidence of 'Islamophobia'?
And the fact that it is made by Channel 4 will immediately turn lots of folks off..

Have you all watched quiz a Muslim? It's available on YouTube. It's quite enlightening, though the panel are mainly (all?) Orthodox (sunni?) Muslims
It's three hours long though!

Why aren't Islamic (but this equally applies to other nonsense ideas) superstitious beliefs dying out, reducing or being curbed?

It's to do with the very early inculcation of that faith to very young children. The teaching of it is accompanied by denigrating the Infidel and by putting the fear of Allah into the children if they should question Islam.

It's not obligatory or a condition of marriage. The Quran permits a Muslim man to marry Muslim, Christian or Jewish women.

Theoretically, but in practice that is not true, esp. once the children start to come along. Also, a Muslim woman cannot marry a non-Muslim because a muslim will be 'lost' from the faith in the form of children to come. She can try to convert her infidel husband, but the marriage would be seen as very inflammatory in the first place.

"There is a principle in Jewish law - 'dina d'malchuta dina' - the law of the land is the law. In other words, the law of the country where you are living overrides Jewish law."

Absolutely, Lumela. The law of the land to which you have chosen to move to, or were born in, overrides everything. But with muslim people, their first declared loyalty is to Islam, which takes precedence over everything. This is why we see so much entitlement and disrespect.

each of those "four wives" makes independent claims as "single mothers".

Yes , this does happen. They are not imported wives, but usually those already with EU citizenship. Religious ceremony only.

unlucky83 I saw that TV film "Murdered by my Father" when it was first aired. The father didnt want to kill his daughter, but he had to expunge the shame that she brought to him by having a boyfriend who was not the chap she was supposed to marry. I note that a young muslim character at the father's place of work, shouted that the father should take care of the filth in his home.

Quite rightly the father then took his own life.

It is the female who carries the shame in a muslim family. A horrendous burden. This view is simply not compatible with Western life. We had our Dark Ages and we are past them, but Islam wants to stay with its mediaeval and cruel attitudes.

Pity, which hate sites? I meant I will quote from the Hadith itself.

Yes, I know Islam is not the only existential threat; the Left are doing a sterling job of eradicating. Christianity.

Pity, please link - you didn't answer my question re Mohammed's recorded instruction re forced marriage.

I still maintain many 'arranged' marriages are forced and thousands of pre-pubescent girls forced to wed fat, sweaty old men. Vile religion culture.

Enthusiasm, what do you mean by this: I thought this too but how can Islam go through this stage when the Koran is the word of God. It can't be compared to Christianity in that sense? Christians consider the bible to be the absolute word of God. Only deluded and heretic liberal 'Christians ' think otherwise.

Some 'arranged' marriages are arranged when the girl is a child, to be married to her cousin or uncle. No way does she get any say in the matter. Neither does the husband-to-be in many cases. Primitive customs to keep money in the family.

There is a principle in Jewish law - 'dina d'malchuta dina' - the law of the land is the law. In other words, the law of the country where you are living overrides Jewish law."

Muslims need to learn that in our society, not just women who were born here, but all women, are seen as equal, with an equal and valid opinion on every aspect of their own lives. A muslim man living in Britain needs to respect his wife and daughters rights to an education, to follow (or not) any religion she wants, and to marry when and who she wants. The right to divorce. That rape, even in marriage is unacceptable, and the abuse of children is considered reprehensible.

*It's not obligatory or a condition of marriage. The Quran permits a Muslim man to marry Muslim, Christian or Jewish women.

Theoretically, but in practice that is not true,*

I don't know where you're getting your information from.

My marriage is a real one, not a theoretical one, and there was no expectation to convert to Islam. I have many friends in the same position.

Christianity, Judaism and Islam share some similar fundamental principles which is why the Quran permits interfaith marriage in some circumstances.

Muslims need to learn that in our society, not just women who were born here, but all women, are seen as equal, with an equal and valid opinion on every aspect of their own lives. A muslim man living in Britain needs to respect his wife and daughters rights to an education, to follow (or not) any religion she wants, and to marry when and who she wants. The right to divorce. That rape, even in marriage is unacceptable, and the abuse of children is considered reprehensible.

I think you'll find that most Muslim men do. You can't apply the findings of a survey of just over 1000 Muslims to all Muslims.

"I don't know where you're getting your information from."

My father is Pakistani. The children have to be brought up in the muslim faith in a mixed marriage.

Many Muslim men are respectfull to women, and great husbands and fathers, but some aren't, and surely that message should be spread within the community. Which survey? I meant generally, as a global religion with a lot of radical members, surely we should be aiming for a majority of Muslim women to considered equal by a majority of Muslim men. Or is a majority? In which case we need to help the minority.

Miss thats heartening thanks although personally I think most people want to be decent and not cause misery.

I would however like to know more about the reasons why 43 mosques were allowed to host a preacher encouraging the slaughter of the infidel and Jihad.

I also hope the Immans who openly supported Quadi above are watched and questioned.

*"I don't know where you're getting your information from."

My father is Pakistani. The children have to be brought up in the muslim faith in a mixed marriage.*

But my post, which you quoted and then said "theoretically but not in practice though" said that Muslim men can marry Christians or Jews. It said nothing about children.

Yes they do, Waffle, and this country has been weakened by the Left's obsession with labelling anyone 'Islamophobic' who wishes to discuss the level of hatred among numbers of Muslims living in our midst. At the same time, these same Lefties have lauded the decision to ban the Lord's Prayer being shown in a short advert before a cinema screening. Ironic when you see the hateful marches and demonstrations permitted on our streets in the name of Islam.

This, though, is the consequence of Labour's obsession with multiculturalism.

miss No muslim parent would be well-disposed to a son of theirs marrying a non-muslim. They may not force the issue for her to convert (though I have never heard of that before), but there will be considerable pressure on her when she has her first child. You cannot have a non-muslim woman running a halal household (which simply means permissible and is not confined to meat) and bringing up a muslim child. It would be seen as haram.

If you are female and married to a muslim man without having converted, then all I can say is that he is not an observant muslim in the first place.

*Misswrite, please quote from the Koran where it says a Muslim can marry a Jew or Christian. The Koran says a Muslim must not even befriend a Christian or Jew!

I'll never understand or respect a Muslim woman who has the nerve to come here and say, 'You're all demonising Muslims - my marriage is nothing like that.' Quit being so frigging disingenuous.*

Firstly, stop being so rude just because someone disagrees with you.

There's actually a way to discuss our differences in opinion without accusing somebody of having "the nerve" to speak and calling them disingenuous. We are all entitled to an opinion, not just you.

The verse I'm talking about is 5:5 where it says that People of the Book (Christians and Jews) are lawful in marriage.

THE REGRESSIVE LEFT.

The Masochists Who Defend Sadists: The Regressive Left in Theory and Practice

quillette.com/2016/01/22/the-masochists-who-defend-sadists-the-regressive-left-in-theory-and-practice/

Here is an extract.

I am speaking of the regressive left, a term coined by Maajid Nawaz. The regressive left refers to the nominally liberal writers and intellectuals who have stopped defending liberal principles, and now expend considerable energy in excusing and defending the Islamist movement and its vicious assault on secular and Muslim societies.

What defines the regressive left? It is the same assumption of Western culpability and confusion between friends and enemies that led to left-wing support for genocide denial in the 1990s and for the resistance in Iraq. In his excellent collaboration with Sam Harris, Islam and the Future of Tolerance, Nawaz has shown that the regressive left “leap(s) whenever any (not merely their own) liberal democratic government commits a policy error, while generally ignoring almost every fascist, theocratic or Muslim-led dictatorial regime and group in the world.”

In doing so, the regressive left has abandoned the people in the Muslim world it is supposed to be defending: the Muslim liberals, the Muslim feminists, the Muslim homosexuals, the ex-Muslims and atheists, the secular bloggers in Bangladesh, and the raped and tortured Yazidis, to name just a few.

They never condemned the sex attacks at New Year's Eve in Cologne and other European countries, plus the rape of little Muslim girls and boys, asylum seekers keeping a young boy as a "comfort" - euphemism for multiple sexual use. The sex attacks against European women continue.

The tragedy is that the Regressive Left is now everywhere: in academia, social care, NHS, schools, and although we currently have a Tory government the RL has great influence via encouraging public outcry and agitation. Newspapers such as The Guardian have lost huge numbers of female readers since the NYE sex attacks because of their soft coverage and lack of condemnation. It felt like they were more on the side of the rapist migrants.

There was a time not that long ago when these ultra Leftists would not be seen dead in the same room as Muslims, but they are currently in a politically expedient alliance with each other to bring about a totalitarian society.

If you are female and married to a muslim man without having converted, then all I can say is that he is not an observant muslim in the first place.

Completely disagree with your post I'm afraid Cutthewaffle it's perfectly possible for a Christian woman to raise a Muslim child alongside a Muslim husband and for the family of the husband to be perfectly pleased with the situation with no "considerable pressure" for anyone to convert.

You seem to be applying your statements very generally to Muslims as a whole. Your view of Islam is not necessarily an accurate representation.

miss Women in Islam according to Koran are supposed to be equal to men with same legal and inheritance rights, etc. But in practice they are not. Little children learn the Koran by rote, in Arabic, a language they do not understand. Second, when they are older they are not allowed to ask questions that may be interpreted as criticism. It's one way always.

The culture of all the MENA countries are very misogynist and controlling. A woman can be severely beaten by her husband for accidentally catching the eye of a man in the street. If she has sons they learn about the status of women from what they see at home. That is why boys of 9 order around their older sisters and slap them if they are being un-Islamic. The male in these cultures is king, females have no status except to bear children, keep house and to never antagonise the man by doing something wrong.

Europe has allowed in hundreds of thousands of men with this belligerent attitude and want simply to replicate what they had back home. They felt so entitled to do what they want that on NY Eve they raped European women in Cologne and at lest 6 other cities. The news was suppressed so it reached us here about 3 days later.

The majority of the mosques in GB have been built with Saudi Arabian money; no community could possibly raise that level of donations, maintain the structure and support an imam.

Any poll is a sample or respresentation you can't seriously have expected the programme makers to canvas the opinions of every single British Muslim?

It's perfectly possible for a Christian woman to raise a Muslim child alongside a Muslim husband

How abusive and insulting to the mother to not allow the child to be raised in her faith.

Another demonstration of Islam's disrespect of women and non-muslims.