'What British Muslims Really Think'.

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This Ch4 documentary can't possibly be representative of all British Muslims when only 1081 were polled......can it?

AIBU to think that, for some, this kind of documentary will only ever be seen as evidence of 'Islamophobia'?
And the fact that it is made by Channel 4 will immediately turn lots of folks off..

"it's perfectly possible for a Christian woman to raise a Muslim child alongside a Muslim husband and for the family of the husband to be perfectly pleased "

Utter tripe, miss and shows that you are not a non-muslim married to a Muslim man. Didnt believe you then, dont believe you now. Not even Jemima Goldsmith achieved that when she married Imran Khan.

Utter tripe, miss and shows that you are not a non-muslim married to a Muslim man. Didnt believe you then, dont believe you now. Not even Jemima Goldsmith achieved that when she married Imran Khan.

Ha! Okay, don't believe me because it doesn't fit in with your warped views that a Catholic woman and a Muslim man can actually have a happy marriage (supported by both families) and raise children.

I'd take offence at you calling me a liar but you seem a little deranged so I'll forgive you.

And what religious education do your children receive?

TBF There are fair few Christian posters who are married to muslim men and who haven't been made to convert.

Jemima's marriage didn't break down due to any conflict around faith, but due to Imran's political ambitions and commitments.

*How abusive and insulting to the mother to not allow the child to be raised in her faith.

Another demonstration of Islam's disrespect of women and non-muslims*

Does the Catholic Church not say the same though? A Catholic may marry outside the religion on the basis that the children are brought up as Catholics too?

And what religious education do your children receive?

You mean the children that you think I don't actually have because I'm not actually married to a Muslim?

Well, the answer is....none of your business.

MistressMia - I never insinuated that her marriage breakdown was due to religion. I was pointing out that she had to convert if she was going to have children.

I was pointing out that she had to convert if she was going to have children

But she didn't have to convert according to Islam.

She may have 'had' to convert in order to please Pakistani public opinion and help Imran's political ambitions.

Exactly. Both catholicism and islam are quite clear that children of a mixed union should be brought up in those faiths. As you both come from faiths that are strict on this point .........

Does the Catholic Church not say the same though? A Catholic may marry outside the religion on the basis that the children are brought up as Catholics too

A quick Google shows that this is not the case, but perhaps some more Catholic or more knowledgeable posters can clarify.

But she didn't have to convert according to Islam. She may have 'had' to convert in order to please Pakistani public opinion and help Imran's political ambitions.

Precisely. Or, shock horror, she may have chose to do it of her own free will.

Hardly, it would have made things difficult for her two boys if Jemima had not converted, and of course it makes the whole extended family feel more comfortable. Just as your children are brought up muslim, because it's simply easier.

Just as your children are brought up muslim, because it's simply easier.

You have no idea why my child is brought up as Muslim. It's not "because it's simply easier".

I have nothing more to add. Your posts are full of hatred towards Islam, possibly due to your own personal circumstances, and it's futile having a conversation with you when you make such swooping generalisations and accuse people of lying when they don't meet your pre-conceived stereotypes.

I can assure you that there are lots of people enjoying the joys of interfaith marriage with Muslims without converting to Islam themselves and this is supported by their family and friends.

I can only apologise if this doesn't fit in with your 'us vs. them' view of the world but, certainly in my little corner of Britain, the majority of us seem to celebrate the United in the United Kingdom.

I wish you well!

misswrite My father is Pakistani. I mentioned this upthread, but you clearly don't read everything. That half of my family are muslim. He is a Zaidi - look that up. You just make yourself look foolish over and over.

The majority of the posts here are not based upon actual factual knowledge of Islam, but merely some Daily Mail level media churned nonsense that people lap up as the truth. Thought people were better educated than that. Especially the assumptions on Muslim women in the ME and the ignorance that exist about the teachings and practices. Well done ladies.

You have no idea why my child is brought up as Muslim

Regardless of any other reason, it will be because Islam insists that children of an inter-faith marriage must be muslim.

This is non-negotiable according to the tenets of the faith.

Of course individually a couple may decide otherwise, but this is contrary to their religion and hence why the majority of such children are raised as muslims.

it would have made things difficult for her two boys if Jemima had not converted

Upper class Pakistani families are on the whole extremely liberal and not overtly religious. It really wouldn't have posed any difficulty at all.

Their religious instruction and education would have been gained from their extended family, schools, madrases, mosques, friends, general society etc.

Living in Pakistan there would be less of a need for conversion, than say living in the West where the mother's practices would have much more impact and influence on the children, living as they will in a non-Islam dominated society.

The only controversy regarding Jemima's religion was the Jewish ancestry and that was for obvious Israel related reasons. Her choice of atire or (non-atire - bikini) before her marriage was also a source of raised eyebrows.

Right going to be a bit vague ...
I know someone who married someone they met on holiday. She is (I am sure about this from something I can't say) not exactly bright. They had to marry to be together (he was from a non EU country.) She converted to Islam 'to keep his family happy'. She didn't wear a veil - in fact I remember her once wearing a very low cut top - showing a scary amount of cleavage. And joking about sneaky bacon sandwiches at her friend's house...
Anyway they had a few DCs, close age gaps. They were being brought up as Muslim and went to the mosque with their father - they moved before the eldest started school so they could go to the school recommended by the mosque.
She wasn't exactly the earth mother type and I think so many DCs were his idea not hers.

DP vaguely knew her husband - or more knew of her husband. That's how I know about the school thing. Anyway DP heard on the grapevine recently that he is no longer with her. The DCs live with him, someone from his family is here now helping look after them. No idea where the mother is - or what happened or if she is happy or not...

But some women do convert just to marry ...
I'm sure she wasn't religious anyway - so had no strong feelings on her DCs religion.
I never spoke to her about how she felt about the moving away (it was all a bit sudden) she had talked about moving but to be nearer her family where she went was further away.

Cut I know you're Father is muslim. Perhaps your experiences have led you to believe some things that are not actually so.

Fox, Pity and anybody else arguing otherwise. Could you comment on the information from these non-DM sources regarding Safiyya's forced marriage to Muhammed.

It's not very likely that a girl of 17 whose husband & father have just been tortured and killed is willingly going to enter into a marriage with their murderer ?

www.sahih-bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_5_59.php
Volume 5, Book 59, Number 512 :
Narrated by Anas
The Prophet offered the Fajr Prayer near Khaibar when it was still dark and then said, "Allahu-Akbar! Khaibar is destroyed, for whenever we approach a (hostile) nation (to fight), then evil will be the morning for those who have been warned." Then the inhabitants of Khaibar came out running on the roads. The Prophet had their warriors killed, their offspring and woman taken as captives. Safiya was amongst the captives, She first came in the share of Dahya Alkali but later on she belonged to the Prophet. The Prophet made her manumission as her 'Mahr'.

ID like comment on the support from Immans in the UK for extremist views.

Remember one imman will reach a good deal many follwers.

miss, your posts have consistently highlighted the brainwashing of otherwise intelligent Muslim women. It is terrifying how women like you can blindly accept the hateful subjugation of women in their midst. Just because your marriage is funky, doesn't mean there aren't millions of other Muslim women suffering horribly within the prison of their Islamic marriages.

Except I'm not Muslim, nor am I brainwashed.