about Trump saying women should be punished for illegal abortions

[cakeycakeface]

I think he must have something wrong with him. Is he a narcissistic psychopath or something like that?

Seriously. What kind of head does this sort of rubbish come from? I simply do not understand his appeal. I feel like I must inhabit a parallel universe or something.

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There are hundreds, possibly thousands, of beautiful, healthy Irish children alive today who may not otherwise

Quite possibly. But a woman should have total autonomy over her body. In the same way that men do. I know men don't carry babies, but I also can't imagine a GP refusing a man a vasectomy in the way some refuse to help women with contraception.

A woman who has an abortion needs help not prison and it is 100% outrageous that the law is different in NI than the rest of the UK. And presumably mainly to keep the Republic quiet, as they won't want their women being able to simply cross the border for treatment. Women victims of male politics, again.

There should be a lot more noise about this case than there has been.

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Thank you

And presumably mainly to keep the Republic quiet

No, that's not it at all. NI anti-abortion sentiment is very strong among the sizeable evangelical Protestant community.

Thank you for posting the link, Palmer Violet. Look out for the story about that young indian woman who was refused an termination, in Galway and tragically died of septis as she ended up with blood poisoning. The baby was not viable but the doctors and nurses left her and her family in limbo for days. Shocking and so sad.

Well said, AppleSetsSail!

There are hundreds, possibly thousands, of beautiful, healthy Irish children alive today who may not otherwise

And hundreds, possibly thousands of women who were forced to put their health at risk in order to birth those children.

Possibly by having a symphysiotomy when they should have been given a cesarean section like these women. Women who have lived their entire lives since childbirth is pain.

Or by being kept as slave labour in Magdalen Laundries the last one of which closed in 1996. Some of which sold those beautiful Irish children to the highest bidder

So yes, those children might well be alive, but at enormous cost to the women you would see forced to carry and birth them, despite having absolutely no stake in the issue at all. And with the lifelong stigma attached to being a bastard child that the children had to carry, if they lived past infancy and weren't left in mass graves.

But that's all anti-choice people give a stuff about isn't it? That the baby is born. After that, they wash their hands of it all.

Ireland banned contraception until 1979, and even then it was almost impossible to access them until 1985. So, severely limited contraception and abortion being illegal, it's no surprise that those beautiful, healthy Irish children abounded. The only options women have are illegal abortion pills, an expensive and lonely journey to the UK or an illegal doctor with a knitting needle.

Palmer, that symphysiotomy link is shocking. The doctors of the time( under the influence of the catholic church) would rather barbarically break a women's pelvis in childbirth than perform a caesarean. The twisted reasoning being that 3 or more sections creates a risk of rupture. The way to prevent this would be sterilisation but that went against the policies of the church, being opposed to contraception. There are Irish women walking around in agony because the church was so rigidly opposed to any form of contraception. I have just read this for the first time, so sorry if I have got it wrong.

As someone who would have to have an abortion if I got pregnant tomorrow not through choice but because it would probably render me permanently disabled due to a pre existing health condition, I find any pro-life argument appalling.

As it would be pro the foetus's life and the beginning of the end of mine.

Thank fuck I am getting sterilised in a couple of months

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" I find any pro-life argument appalling."

Really? Any pro-life argument? So, partial-birth abortions and harvesting body parts for profit, you're cool with that aspect of the abortion industry?

I'd sooner that irishdad than making abortion illegal returning to the days of hot baths and gin or a wire coat hanger/knitting needle prior to legal abortion legislation. Women would still procure abortion as they've always done but women don't die from legal abortions.

However most abortions are in the first 12 weeks and these things are just designed to be emotive. You cannot have any idea what it must be like to be pregnant and really not want a baby or to have a baby inside you that's not viable. Making a women carry a non viable baby to term is beyond cruel imo.

No mudandmayhem you have that completely correct. The operation was also often carried out without the woman's consent or even knowledge. But hey, as long as they have beautiful, healthy Irish babies, screw the mothers, eh?

If the "harvesting body parts for profit" line was about planned parenthood in the US, it has been categorically been proven as a lie.

The orchestrater of the lie has been arrested for it.

And, interestingly, partial-birth abortion is the US term for late term abortions which are carried out when there is catastrophic foetal abnormality. The majority of which are now carried out very differently.

So, yes, just fine with both of those.

The Anti abortion lobby rely on half truths and misinformation when really, they are doing the work of Church elders, who see women as mere vessels for producing members of their congregation. If people stray from what they are told, the church loses control. Pregnancy proves sinful women have had sex outside marriage, against the wishes of the church. Abortion again is evidence of the church losing control and influence. They have to control all aspects of female fertility in order to keep control of their flock.

It's well known that the anti-choice groups in both Ireland and NI are funded and run by the militant groups in the USA.

Yes, harvesting body parts is a big side money spinner in the 'abortion industry'. 🙄

whose and which body parts are harvested and for whom?