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about Trump saying women should be punished for illegal abortions

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cakeycakeface · 31/03/2016 12:02

I think he must have something wrong with him. Is he a narcissistic psychopath or something like that?

Seriously. What kind of head does this sort of rubbish come from? I simply do not understand his appeal. I feel like I must inhabit a parallel universe or something.

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Flumplet · 01/04/2016 22:54

He's a total dick. YANBU. I can't think of anything more to say.

Justanotherlurker · 01/04/2016 22:57

Lol, OK, after that response, hyperbole is obviously something you pride yourself on..

Your echoe chamber awaits...

timelytess · 02/04/2016 09:05

My mother had two, three or more abortions before the age of eighteen, in the era when abortion was illegal. She was still thinking about 'what she had done' when she died, aged seventy-nine. That's punishment enough, I think.

Voteforpedr0 · 02/04/2016 09:08

Trump has actually backtracked on this and now says that the person carrying out the procedure should be held accountable.

AugustaFinkNottle · 02/04/2016 09:20

in this case I think it is a bit unfair. He was pushed and pushed to say what would happen if abortion was illegal

But the point is that he said abortion should be illegal. What on earth is wrong with pushing him to say what he thinks the consequences of abortion should be?

CutTheWaffle · 02/04/2016 09:28

I think he just made a gaffe. I believe he is the only candidate (of any party in the USA) who understands the danger that America is in terms of mass immigration from countries that are hostile to the West. The rest of the candidates are a mixture of Marxist and Common Purpose clones. I do agree that he does not come across very well, but he knows what the others are up to and is trying to stop USA sliding into unfettered immigration of people who are not documented, pass themselves as refugees but are not.

Look at what has happened in Europe since last summer's influx of 'refugees'. That invitation by Germany & Austria was supposed to save those fleeing from war zones in Syria and Iraq, but in the end only 1 out 5 persons actually came from those zones. The rest were economic migrants who had tagged on to the line of people.

AugustaFinkNottle · 02/04/2016 09:37

It might be "just a gaffe" if it wasn't the latest in a long line of gaffes. It's massively dangerous to say we will accept anything from him purely because he claims that he will stop immigration - not least because he hasn't actually come up with a credible policy that would achieve that, nor has he addressed in any way the downsides of making the attempt.

And, frankly, the moment you introduce Common Purpose conspiracy theories you put yourself in the no-credibiity zone anyway.

topcat2014 · 02/04/2016 09:43

America is weird about this shit, and religion, best not to think about it too much -

It is harder to 'come out' as non religious than gay - apparently.

mimishimmi · 02/04/2016 09:55

Things have been getting scary for a while. I don't see why voicing conspiracy theories puts you in a non credibility camp. It could certainly put you in a real one. Very real conspiracies have caused the deaths and impoverishment of millions in the past.

CaptainMarvelDanvers · 02/04/2016 10:05

I don't think Trump actually believes the stuff he comes out with, he's trying to get votes and some people will believe anything as long as it's what they want to hear. I'm more worried about the people supporting the shit he comes out with.

Voteforpedr0 · 02/04/2016 10:09

Trump, I believe is an atheist and he knows that in order to get on in this race to the top he must play the game, alongside his controversy he must do alot of pleasing. So many Americans already hold strong opinions on abortion so this is not the same as one of our politicians making that kind of statement here. I actually think he could do some good, sad to see Obama go he could've done so much good if only congress woukdve alliwed hom too. Everyone including critics and fans alike are lapping up what he has set out to do which is gain as much publicity as possible, I don't like his personal qualities but believe he would turn things around for the good.

Voteforpedr0 · 02/04/2016 10:11

Excuse typos keyboard fault on my damm phone

AppleSetsSail · 02/04/2016 10:17

I can't work out why people are so upset about Trump, as though he could actually drive the US into a further state of disrepair. The damage is done.

They have a fundamentally broken health care system, a poorly educated population, a vast gulf between the rich and the poor, an enormous number of people living in abject poverty, no welfare state, no international respect; it's generally a security state with zero civil liberties.

The US's greatest asset at the moment is its ability to make great television.

Anyone who thinks that any of the other candidates might change this direction (Bar Saunders, who is a socialist and Americans are deeply opposed to socialism) should reconsider.

AugustaFinkNottle · 02/04/2016 10:36

I don't see why voicing conspiracy theories puts you in a non credibility camp.

It does if you cite Common Purpose. It's one of the favourite conspiracies amongst the more batshit type of Mail or Express commenter.

BigChocFrenzy · 02/04/2016 11:11

The Republicans have been an extreme rightwing party for decades, packed with religious nutters and racists.
The Republican establishment are just pissed off with Trump because he has made this glaringly obvious, instead of hiding his nastiness like the others do.

AppleSetsSail · 02/04/2016 11:44

The Republican establishment are just pissed off with Trump because he has made this glaringly obvious, instead of hiding his nastiness like the others do

I agree with this, although I think there is no difference between R/Ds except for their favourite 'non-issue' - abortion. It's majorly important for women to have access to abortion but what a fantastic success for both parties that they've managed to make this cheap, essential medical procedure the focus of everyone's angst instead of something that might actually matter.

BigChocFrenzy · 02/04/2016 12:13

Sanders is very different to any major US politician of the last few decades. If elected he would at least try to change things, to help the bottom 90%.
That's why the Dem establishment is rooting for Hillary: they have no interest in changing the trough that their snouts are stuck in.

I agree that apart from abortion - which is a VERY important human right for women - the main differences between the 2 parties are only in rhetoric - they are both in hock to the oligarchs & corporate interests who supply most of the donations.

IrishDad79 · 02/04/2016 12:41

On the cuddly pregnancy threads, I see foetuses referred to as "babies" all the time. Therefore, isn't abortion baby-killing and aren't abortionists baby-killers? Why do abortionists use two different languages when talking about unborn babies? Does it depend on whether the unborn baby has been deemed worthy enough to be allowed live, or if he/she has been put on death row?

Ps what do all you abortionists think of those wonderful partial-birth abortions, I'd be curious to know where you all stand on that?

Lweji · 02/04/2016 12:59

From someone who wouldn't probably consider abortion to herself, and would rather support and try to convince any woman not to abort, I don't like the use of "abortionist".
Pro-choice means that every woman should be given the choice of whether to carry out their own pregnancy or not.
I can totally understand why women (and I haven't been in such a position, so who knows?) prefer not to carry on with a pregnancy.
Men should simply but out of the discussion, mostly because they are not the ones who have to carry the babies or care for them once they are born.

SenecaFalls · 02/04/2016 13:04

There is a big difference in the two parties on social issues and especially women's rights.

herecomethepotatoes · 02/04/2016 13:14

IrishDad79 - what's an abortionist? I don't think anyone's ever suggested they're pro-abortion.

There is a stage where a fetus changes into a baby. It has nothing to do with being "deemed worthy of living".

I can't believe I replied to you instead of treating your post with the contempt it deserved.

"partial-birth abortions" (although it's pretty sick that you would call them 'wonderful') are illegal and should be so kind of a moot point.

Where do you stand on genocide?

TooOldForGlitter · 02/04/2016 13:18

No irishdad, abortion is not baby killing.

The rest of your post isn't worthy of a response.

BigChocFrenzy · 02/04/2016 13:33

"baby-killers" Fuck right off and take Trump, the GOP & the fucking god-squad with you, Irishdad
I hope women in Northern Ireland and RoI soon get the right to choose, like we do, instead of having to scrape up money to come to mainland Britain.

AppleSetsSail · 02/04/2016 14:03

There is a big difference in the two parties on social issues and especially women's rights.

What part of women's rights, specifically? I'll concede that Trump seems more nakedly misogynistic than your average politician, but what do you think this would mean for the average American woman?

baby-killers" Fuck right off and take Trump, the GOP & the fucking god-squad with you, Irishdad
I hope women in Northern Ireland and RoI soon get the right to choose, like we do, instead of having to scrape up money to come to mainland Britain.

Yep.

SenecaFalls · 02/04/2016 17:05

Women's reproductive rights in particular. Many in the religious right, which is a significant part of the Republican base, are opposed to contraception. Contraception. Think about how incredibly backward this position is. And this opposition has already affected application of the Affordable Care Act through legal challenges.

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