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My dad and DH have fallen out - what do I do?

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WelcomeToMusicTown · 18/03/2016 10:18

I don't want to drip-feed so apologies if this is long. My dad and my DH have fallen out and I feel stuck in the middle and unsure what to do.

DH and I (both in our 30s) have a 2 month old baby. When my waters broke just before midnight I went to the hospital alone, taking a taxi (we're in London, about 15-20 mins from the hospital depending on traffic). I insisted DH stay home as he wasn't feeling well, I knew I'd most likely be sent straight home, and I wanted him to get as much sleep as possible before I really needed him during active labour. He had his phone ringer on so had he needed to join me at the hospital he could have. In hindsight he feels that he should have insisted he come with me but I've always been very independent - in over 7 years together I've never asked or expected him to meet me at bus stops, walk me home etc - so in his tired and ill state he just accepted my insistence. As it happened I was indeed sent home and he went back with me in the morning when labour had progressed. I didn't think any more of it except feeling probably quite proud of myself for doing that first trip alone when I was heavily pregnant and a little in shock. Again in hindsight, that was probably quite naive of me but it didn't cross my mind to do it any differently.

My dad visited us a couple of weeks back and took DH aside to have a word. I had no idea what it was about as he'd said nothing to me, but it turned out he wanted to tell DH how upset he - and the rest of the family - was that he'd let me go to hospital alone in a vulnerable state. Their stories differ at this point. Dad says that he voiced his concerns but DH wouldn't listen so he lost his temper. DH says that my dad told him he's a bad father, that the whole family thinks so and that they've all - including me?! - been worrying about the hospital incident for weeks. In actual fact my mum says she was concerned (and of course I understand why) but she and my dad's partner made him promise not to bring it up and cause a scene - but he ignored that and did it anyway.

DH says my dad then grabbed him and raised his fist as if to hit him. DH at this point was freaked out by his aggression so pulled away from him and left our flat. All I know is I heard DH tell my dad to fuck off, then saw my dad, who was shaking with anger, chasing after him shouting that he was a fucking coward and to grow some balls. DH refused to come home until my dad had left.

I and my mum tend to believe DH's version as my dad has a history of being very short tempered and occasionally violent - DH literally wouldn't even raise his voice to someone and is the least aggressive person I know. My mum agrees that DH is probably telling the truth - she and my dad divorced partly because my dad was so volatile. He has in the past been held in a police cell after attacking his girlfriend (he claims not to remember) and has threatened suicide and self harm in the presence of, or in order to manipulate, me and my sisters.

To give a final bit of context: DH was already very stressed when my dad visited as my dad is very money and career focused and has on several occasions taken DH aside to ‘talk’ to him about his attitude to these things. DH isn't career-minded and I'm the main breadwinner in our relationship. He's also currently unemployed after being let go at new year and looking for a new job which has been making things hard work on top of having a new baby so he was already very depressed and down on himself and expecting a lecture from my dad made him feel worse. DH has made huge efforts to build a relationship with my dad but has been increasingly frustrated that dad only ever talks about money and doesn't seem interested in him as a person. Equally my dad is clearly frustrated that his daughter isn't being looked after in the traditional alpha male sense and while his approach is often wrong he clearly is just looking out for me.

However, after this fight my DH wants nothing more to do with my dad. He's scared of him, thinks he's frankly psychotic and isn't showing any signs of forgiving him for what he sees as an emotional and physical attack in his own home. My dad has tried to offer an olive branch via WhatsApp but DH won't accept his apology or even speak to him. This was really the last straw.

Now I'm in the situation of my dad wanting to still be part of my - and my baby's - life but logistically this now being difficult (he lives a couple of hours away) and also, to be completely honest, I feel resentful that he went ahead and caused this situation despite my mum and his current partner both begging him not to say anything. He's sending me very nice messages and claiming that he doesn't want to jeopardise my relationship with DH but that's all very well in hindsight - as usual he had to say his piece and to hell with the consequences. He's had a problem with my DH for a while so this was a long time coming but I'm angry that it had to be now when we're already going through a lot. I'm questioning whether I really want this man in my life but knowing how volatile and depressive he is I would, at the end of the day, feel bad for cutting him out. It's also not in my nature to do so.

I do wonder if I and my mum/sisters have been enabling this behaviour for too long. My mum agrees in one breath but in the other is saying he's still my dad and is checking to make sure I'm still sending him pictures of my baby so he doesn't miss out.

I just don't know how to navigate this situation. I'd like DH to at least listen to dad's apology but can also see why he no longer wants anything to do with him. To be honest I'm sure that in time he may come round to at least tolerating my dad's presence. But how can I continue a normal relationship with my dad, and make him part of my baby's life, with such a big elephant in the room? I'm still sending baby pictures to him and replying to his messages but I'm struggling to muster any enthusiasm for staying in contact. Even the mention or thought of my dad makes me feel very down.

Who here is being unreasonable? Am I? Is my DH for not wanting any more to do with him? Or is my dad?

OP posts:
honeylulu · 18/03/2016 15:28

Bollocks! I work full time not part time, sorry.

WeDoNotSow · 18/03/2016 15:40

Some people on this thread are pathetic.
If he had of ignored OPs request and insisted on going, it would be cries of controlling emotional abuse and LTB.
And why the fuck are people more concerned about the dh's working hours than the physically violent df? Hmm

ElementaryMyDear · 18/03/2016 15:56

Some of us are a little concerned as to why she didn't want him to be there tho. It reads very much as tho she doesn't trust him to step up and put her first when the chips are down.

No, it doesn't. It reads as though she's an independent woman able to make a sensible decision as to when she does or does not need her husband with her.

Atenco · 18/03/2016 16:05

Haven't read the entire thread, but your dad reminds me a bit of my ex. Having been physically violent to me on more than one occasions, he is the first to get indignant about DV and has wonderful ideas about how other people should behave.

OP, keep on backing up your DP and if that means cutting your useless dad out of your life, so be it.

curren · 18/03/2016 16:12

I didn't want my husband there for the first stages of labour either.

Did both alone. Would rather he was resting. The night after I had them both he do all the night wakings while I slept through.

Dh is an amazing dad and husband. Still preferred to labour alone, for as long as possible.

What's wrong with that?

In fact there was a thread here a few weeks ago. Loads of women laboured alone for the firsts stages through choice.

Chocolatteaddict1 · 18/03/2016 16:13

You insisted your Dh did not come to the hospital. - it's not his fault at all.

You should be straight with your dad and tell him that attacking your Dh is not on and because of that he has effected his relasionship with you and your DC.

No way in hell would I let mil see my dd if she had raised her hand or even grabbed me. Your dad sounds like s bully in his own family and now is trying to bully yours and you Dh family unit.

The only person putting you in the middle is YOU. You should be supporting your Dh. You put him in this situation .

Chocolatteaddict1 · 18/03/2016 16:15

Some of us are a little concerned as to why she didn't want him to be there tho. It reads very much as tho she doesn't trust him to step up and put her first when the chip

No - he was ill and op wanted him to text so he would be ok with final stages.

Chocolatteaddict1 · 18/03/2016 16:17

Another cuntlodger here

BadDoGooder · 18/03/2016 16:36

Oh yeah I'm a cuntlodger too! Grin
Only cos DP earns way more than I could though, if it was more equal in pay terms he would definietly be the SAHP parent, he's better at it than me!

That would make him a cocklodger though! Just for swapping roles with me! Hmm

MerryMarigold · 18/03/2016 16:49

It reads as though she's an independent woman able to make a sensible decision as to when she does or does not need her husband with her.

I think this would be fine in the usual circumstances with an equally independent, dynamic dh. However, a relationship is always about TWO people and in this case, the OP's dh seems to lack confidence and is not in the best place emotionally due to his redundancy. Her 'independent' decisions are not helping her dh to feel useful/ needed/ confident, but rather mothered/ weak/ useless.

Aeroflotgirl · 18/03/2016 16:57

Think I've started a new word Grin.

Aeroflotgirl · 18/03/2016 16:59

Mabey, he wasn't well so he would be not in a fit state to support op, also he will pass infections to.vulnerable babies, so best if he stayed away.

Hissy · 18/03/2016 17:12

Don't you see? Your dad messaging you and you replying is further insult to dh.

Your dads whatsapp apology is for show, he utterly overstepped the mark by even coming to have a word, let alone the clearly threatening behaviour.

He's being uber nice to you to get you back on side, but also to get at dh and "win".

Your dad should not be welcome in your lives again unless he apologises properly.

Even then, the leopard won't change its spots so keep him at arms length.
You are a mum now, you have a child to protect, you have a marriage to nurture.

Your h did what you wanted him to do. And he did the right thing. You must stand by him and back him to the absolute hilt.

Your mother allowed your father the space to terrorise and now, even tho she has dumped him is STILL complicit in his terrorising you and your family

I know this is shit... But they did this, not you.

Birdsgottafly · 18/03/2016 17:27

All this 'Alpha Make' rubbish needs to stop, all it does it make excuses for abusive men.

Even if you believe in the AM theories, because after all we aren't Wolves, then look up what it really means. A AM certainly wouldn't be violent towards a Woman and emotionally abuse his children. They don't start fights.

So many on here think that the OPs DP should have had a fist fight, whilst a new Mum and a two week old were present? He did the right thing, by shielding his new DD from violence.

How many posters on here fist fight things out? You can manage that with other women, so why not?

As for him not going the hospital, it's only since I had my second DD that Men were welcomed into a delivery suite, Women either gave birth alone, with MWs or surrounded by female relatives, all this stuff is largely social conditioning. It's up the person giving birth who should be there.

OP, your Dad is abusive, this won't stop, it's up to you how much you accept, but personally, I would be going very low contact and telling him straight via txt, if it puts you in a dangerous position to do it face to face.

No-one Man or Woman, should be subject to physical attack.

VoldysGoneMouldy · 18/03/2016 17:45

Your 'father' is abusive, and your husband has absolutely every right to refuse to be near him. Frankly I don't understand why you're risking your child's physical and emotional safety by wanting him around.

lalalalyra · 18/03/2016 17:57

How would you feel if your MIL was constantly having "wee chats" with you and taking you to task for not looking after her son properly?

Your father sounds toxic and if you don't back your husband then you'll be allowing his control to continue and you might risk your marriage.

Do you actually want that kind of person in your child's life? If your MIL, or any relation of your DH's, threatened you in the way your father was with your DH would you be happy about him continuing to make them a place in your child's life while you calmed down?

Salmotrutta · 18/03/2016 19:24

The extrapolation on this thread is unbelievable.

OP - your dad is a nasty bully by your own admission.

Your DH is absolutely right to steer clear of him and should be respected for refusing to get involved in a fight.

Can't believe some people are criticising him for that Shock - we don't live in the Stone Age you know!

And as for this "Alpha Male" jumbo jumbo.... Hmm

Salmotrutta · 18/03/2016 19:24

mumbo jumbo!

WeDoNotSow · 18/03/2016 19:28

Yes, The people criticising him for walking away from a volatile situation with a newborn in the house? What should he have done? Chinned him?
That's some Jeremy Kyle shit you'd be expecting....

Waltermittythesequel · 18/03/2016 19:36

Your dad sounds like an arsehole.

But I can see why he'd be upset about hm your dh staying behind because he was poorly.

Your dh sounds like a waste of space, tbh.

I feel sorry for you on all fronts!

Salmotrutta · 18/03/2016 22:07

Hmm, let's see... If I said to my DH that I didn't want him to come with me anywhere (hospital or not) I'd be pretty hacked off if he over-ruled that.

Especially if he was ill.

What purpose would it serve if he wasn't needed?

littleleftie · 18/03/2016 22:14

I think we have established that your father is indeed a total arsehole and you need to back Dh on this.

The question remains, do you really want to expose your child to this abusive man?

WelcomeToMusicTown · 19/03/2016 07:05

Thanks everyone, it's been really helpful to have some objective views on this.

I don't think I supported DH well enough on this as I was a bit in shock after it happened and wanted everyone to just get along. I haven't tried to force him to do anything but I need to make it clearer that I respect his reaction to the situation and that I understand and support it.

As for my dad, he wants to meet up in central London at some point with my son so he can at least see him. He isn't imposing himself on our home and as far as I can tell has resolved to stay away until/unless this blows over and DH is willing to build bridges. I think it's probably time I stood up to him and told him how unacceptable his behaviour has been. We live far enough away that he won't have unsupervised access to my baby but I certainly won't be initiating any.

I'm a little disappointed in my mum (and sisters) for acknowledging that he's in the wrong, and even going as far as saying it to him, yet still making me feel a bit guilty for potentially reducing contact. It seems we've all been conditioned over the years to just put up with it and maybe this is the chance I needed to get out, as far as possible.

Thanks again all.

OP posts:
Aeroflotgirl · 19/03/2016 08:47

Don't expect your dh to want to build bridges with an abusive bully, if I were him I would be happy not to see him again. I know he is your father, but I don't know why you are exposing yiur child to this man, but your call. Just respect your dh decision not to want him near him or the family home!

NameChange30 · 19/03/2016 08:56

I'm glad you plan to support your DH more. But I don't think you should take your son with you when you go to meet your father. Protect him from the poison.

Some links for you
Toxic Parents by Susan Forward
Stately Homes thread