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AIBU?

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Thinking that Sil is taking advantage and kind of lazy

180 replies

KathrynL · 11/03/2016 17:14

I know that this technically doesn't affect me as such but I'm a concerned observer as is my dh and I don't know how much longer either of us can just sit back and say nothing, but anyway I'll get to it.

My dh has a younger sister and a younger brother. His younger sister (not that much younger we are all in our 30's) has three children, all primary school age. The jist of it is that my SiL (imo) is taking advantage of my dh's parents and their brother. She is a single parent, but at the same time not completely helpless and despite the fact she doesn't work and never has she depends on my inlaws for practically everything. My MiL and FiL both turned 70 last year, so are retired and have time on their hands and they love their grandchildren including mine and dh's kids and they'll happily help out if any of us need it but I think my SiL is taking the piss.

She lives literally a five minute walk away from her kids primary school yet she never takes them herself. My MiL has a key and turns up at 8am every weekday morning to sort the kids out (they're 10, 7 and 6) whilst my SiL lays in bed. She takes them to school and then picks them up every day too whilst my SiL is either still laying in bed or out with friends shopping or having drinks in the pub. She expects my inlaws to mind her kids whenever she wants to go anywhere and if she "can't be bothered" to take them to doctors/dentist/opticians etc than my inlaws will take them. Like I said they aren't exactly spring chickens and both me and my dh are seeing first hand the strain it is on them keep running around like this.

My SiL doesn't drive so she uses both my MiL and FiL as her own personal taxi service. Every school holidays she just assumes they will mind the kids why she goes out and if on the rare occasion they refuse to have them then my SiL goes mad. She also is constantly asking them to borrow her money even though she knows they only have their pensions to live on and again if they refuse she takes a strop. My dh's brother is currently at uni but has a lot of time off in between so my SiL has him running round doing jobs for her ie the food shop, taking her kids to the park, paying money into the bank, etc etc and I don't think it's very fair.

Now I know what you're thinking. It's up to my dh's family if they chose to do these things for SiL but I genuinely think they are too soft and maybe even little scared of saying no, as trust me it doesn't happen often. I just can't help but think that my SiL is lazy and should be doing these things herself instead of relying on other people and to be honest I'm sick of having the single parent card thrown at me. I have single parent family members and friends and none of them are like this, they are strong independent women and manage fine with just occasional help. My dh has tried to speak to his parents before about this matter but his mum just shrugs it off and says she doesnt mind helping and his dad just days that it's a struggle for SiL and we wouldn't know because their are two of us to parent our kids. Yeah the difference is though we both work (and I study) plus raise three children but we pay to have people look after our kids (nursery, after school club) we don't expect our parents to commit to long term childcare. So Aibu do you think to feel this way? I personally don't think I am as I hate to see people being taken advantage of but I just wanted to get other perspective.

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curren · 11/03/2016 17:36

To be clear Op on the face of it, it does sound like she taking the piss.

I just don't think it's really any of your concern. If your dh wants to say something fair enough, support him.

KathrynL · 11/03/2016 17:38

But why does it matter if it's me or my dh? We both share the same concerns, just because he is related by blood how does that matter, we are all family.

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LilacSpunkMonkey · 11/03/2016 17:39

But by the same token, his parents are adults, who can take care of themselves and speak for themselves.

The fact that you're so desperate for your husband to intervene smacks of major jealousy to me, especially when you keep saying things like 'she's never worked but I go out to work' and 'we have to pay for a babysitter'.

Your DH's parents are also your SIL's parents. She is their daughter and they are supporting her.

PaulAnkaTheDog · 11/03/2016 17:39

Does she have an alcohol problem? I noticed you say she goes to the pub but can't get up to take her children to school. In those circumstances I can understand the PIL doing so much. It's not fair but it's probably the most they can do to ensure the children are well cared for, without taking them in themselves or SS getting involved.

gentlydownthestreammm · 11/03/2016 17:40

I don't see how it's unreasonable for you to worry and wonder about this!

But: what is your DH's relationship with his sister like? Is she actually likely to take on board what he says, or just flip out at him and entrench her position further?

PaulAnkaTheDog · 11/03/2016 17:41

Ok, now see you have said there is not alcohol problem. Are you absolutely sure of that? People can be proud, she and her parents may not be very forthcoming about it, perhaps thinking they can deal with it without any input from the rest of the family?

Byrdie · 11/03/2016 17:42

Just read thread. Hmm op. I can understand how you feel but in all honesty, she is their daughter and no matter what you say or how you put it, they will always support her over agreeing with you. The only person who can say something is your husband - and probably directly to his sister.

Bananalanacake · 11/03/2016 17:43

Why has she never worked? her eldest is 10 and she's in her 30s, so why wasn't she working in her early 20s before she had the first? I hate lazy people with a vengeance, I completely agree with you, 'kind of' lazy is an understatement, unless she has a problem you are not aware of, alcoholism, as someone suggested.

Xmasbaby11 · 11/03/2016 17:47

Yanbu and I'd judge too. I really don't think you can do anything about it, though.

hedgehogsdontbite · 11/03/2016 17:58

I think that if someone is still in bed regularly at school pick up time like you say in your OP then there is clearly something debilitating going on in her life that you're not privy to.

expatinscotland · 11/03/2016 17:59

It's their business what they do with their time and how they treat their daughter and grandchildren. You want to judge, judge away, but don't dress it up as anything else. YABU.

curren · 11/03/2016 18:06

But why does it matter if it's me or my dh? We both share the same concerns, just because he is related by blood how does that matter, we are all family.

Because it's his parents and his sister.

PonderLand · 11/03/2016 18:09

For a few years I suffered with severe depression which led to agoraphobia, from what I've read about your sil maybe she has some underlying issues that you aren't aware of? Sounds far-fetched but mental illness can go undetected for a very long time and might not be blindingly obvious. Just a though lol

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 11/03/2016 18:10

There is no reason why she can't take her kids to school, to appointments, do her own errands etc, she has all the time in the world to do these things and if I can fit it all in plus work and I get no help from family then I'm sure she can manage. YANBU but as you say,

I genuinely just think that she has got used to having the help and she doesn't want things to change so has no ambition to make it so.

You can see what's going on, your DH is powerless but your PILS have enabled this. I'm afraid until they decline to help her, it's how things will continue.

Just a wild guess, not a situation you'd let happen with your own DCs.

KathrynL · 11/03/2016 18:10

By saying that I think she is lazy I am judging her, I admit it, that I thought was obvious. But people judge all the time, sometimes rightly sometimes wrongly but I am entitled to have an opinion.

When I said she goes to the pub that is just one of the things she does whilst her kids are elsewhere but as far as I'm aware she isn't a raging alcoholic. She does talk to me and let's just say she isn't backwards at coming forwards letting people know her business so I feel that if she was depressed or had a similar problem then we'd all know about it.

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cannotlogin · 11/03/2016 18:10

if you had expressed concern about your PsIL without the single mum, benefit-bashing shite you tried so hard to cover but couldn't, I would have had some empathy. As it is, all you are looking for is agreement that your SIL is a terrible person and that you and your husband are so much deserving of your PsIL care and attention. I mean, goodness, why should you pay for a babysitter when they are willing to help out others? get's your goat a bit, doesn't it?

kawliga · 11/03/2016 18:11

YANBU to feel as you do, but you would be unreasonable to say anything. It's your PILs business if they want to molly coddle their own dd.

NerrSnerr · 11/03/2016 18:14

It's your PIL that are enabling her and that's their choice. It's not your place to tell them how much they can help.
We have a vaguely similar situation in our family, all we can do is look after ourselves and our child the best we can and leave them to it.

KathrynL · 11/03/2016 18:15

To answer your question Donkey no, I wouldn't expect my parents (who are of a similar age to dh's) to run around after me like this, picking my kids up from school every day, taking them to appointments etc. To be honest my parents do offer quite often and although they do see our kids regularly and love spending time with them I'm not about to use them as unpaid childcare, it wouldn't be fair.

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LoveBoursin · 11/03/2016 18:16

Only on MN, you are not allowed to be concerned for your PIL but you are allowed to slag them off at the most minor thing HmmHmm....

OP, I agree that unfortunately, you can't do a lot about it. Your PIL will have to say NO to your SIL at some point. They might do well with some reassurance that it's not on and that they are allowed to say NO to her from time to time. I would also encourage them to look after themselves health and money wise because otherwise, they soon won't be able to help at all.
Also have a word with your dBIL and explain again he is allowed to say NO.

Apart from that, you can't do a lot....

expatinscotland · 11/03/2016 18:16

Jesus wept. You are really put out about what she's getting and you're not. Lovely. NOT.

KathrynL · 11/03/2016 18:16

Oh for goodness sake don't try and make me out to benefit bashing, she can sit on her arse all her life and not earn her own money, I couldn't care less! What I do care about is my elderly inlaws having the piss taken out if them.

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WishToBeWell · 11/03/2016 18:19

Cannot Erm, where was the the single mum and benefit bashing bit/s?

HRTFT and can't see either? Hmm

Eva50 · 11/03/2016 18:19

If your Dh is as concerned as you say then he could discuss it with his parents if they want to talk about it. However, as adults, it is up to them to sort it out between themselves. If she has no medical issues then her parents aren't doing her any favours and would be better encouraging her to be more active in her children's lives. You should not assume that you know everything that's going on.

I have fibromyalgia/CFS. Very few of my friends know this. None of ds3's teachers know this. My sister and dsd are the only members of my family that know this (other than dh). I probably give the appearance of being very lazy and quite entitled however that's not actually the case.

I would stay out of it.

expatinscotland · 11/03/2016 18:19

'What I do care about is my elderly inlaws having the piss taken out if them.'

They don't see it that way. They have told their son that. It's their lives and up to them to chose how to spend it. So leave 'em to it and keep your beak out. Don't see how that is so hard.