AIBU to think a male paedophile rapist should definitely go to a male prison?

[HermioneWeasley]

And it shouldn't just be "likely"?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-35726292

FFS.

Does it work in reverse? If a woman has short hair, no make up and wears men's clothes can they opt to serve time in a men's prison?

I know there is no money, but they can't put men in womens prisons because they identify as women, and there is outcry when they are put in men's prisons (although I don't know if the outcry will be quite so vocal for a paedophile rapist.)

whatdoiget the reason the media refers to her as she is that it's her preferred pronoun... She identifies as female (gender and sex are two different things), therefore she uses female pronouns. It's also respectful that people use the correct pronouns.

Tabsicle do you think that this person should be in a women's prison, as they are definitely a women because that's how they identify? Why do you want to shut down anyone who doesn't hold the same views as you, by calling them bigots and gross?

Terf is trans exclusionary radical feminist

OK, trans meaning trans woman/man - so not someone who has had surgery or medical intervention, but someone who identifies as a woman - is that right?

Notamummy - what makes them a female?

I trickles down.
Today, dismissing the class, I said 'Girls in the back row, go now'
A boy said ' I identify now as a girl'
He was joking - today - but....

"Trans" meaning someone who is transgendered - which is sometimes (but doesn't have to be all the time - you can be "non binary" or "gender fluid") feels they identify with the other gender.

No surgery, counselling, hormones or cross dressing required. You can just say "today I identify as a woman" and therefore you are a woman.

So a thread is started stating the opinion that a rapist with a penis should serve their jail time in a prison for males.

And someone comes along calling those who agree with the OP TERFs.

That's what's going wrong with the whole debate. It's not possible to hold a sensible view without being called a bigot.

Respectful pronouns for a paedophile rapist? Fuck that. This monster has no place in a womens prison.

I am pleased to see an eight year sentence for this rape. Often rape sentences are derisory. The prisoner will also be on the sex offenders register for life, I think, which is good.

Also Tabsicle, I wouldn't worry about the discussions here, as it looks like the UK is hurtling down the self-identification route irrespective of any of the bigoted and gross concerns being raised.

Yanbu

Penis = male prison

I don't think this person deserves much in the way of respect or consideration really, considering the crime committed. I suspect in this particular case they are identifying as female for convenience.

"So a thread is started stating the opinion that a rapist with a penis should serve their jail time in a prison for males.

And someone comes along calling those who agree with the OP TERFs.

That's what's going wrong with the whole debate. It's not possible to hold a sensible view without being called a bigot."

Yes, I agree.

notamummy10, if I "identified" as black, (I'm white) would it be respectful to black people if you called me black too?

The rape occurred in 2004, when the rapist was living as a man.

There has been neither surgery nor, from the way I read the article, any hormone treatment. Yet there was a name change in 2012.

So still fully functioning biologically male anatomy, and a rape conviction. Yes, that should mean make prison. Child rapists are often placed in solitary anyhow, for their own protection. One more handled that way won't be an issue.

It would be completely different for someone convicted of a different offence, or if further along the medical transition pathway. After all, no-one would have put Hayley Cropper in a male prison, would they?

I appreciate this may not be top of the agenda but I think their needs to be a serious conversation about how we record the sex /gender of offenders. It would take a very small numbers of males identifying as women to significantly skew statistics, particularly in sex related crimes.

Maybe using a two letter identifier for criminal and maybe medical records. So first letter sex, second would be gender identity. So FF for female woman, MX male gender fluid etc In order to have the most accurate information possible.

I don't think trans persons should be in the general prison population as they could be very vulnerable in a male prison but could pose an increased risk to women in a female prison.

I don't think trans prisons are likely though.

MooPoint but this is what self identification means. If he says he's a woman, he's a woman and must be treated as one in all situations.

That's the point. It's not just the nice, passing transwomen. It's literally all comers.

YANBU.

& what EKL said.

"if I "identified" as black, (I'm white) would it be respectful to black people if you called me black too?"

Not meaning to be hostile, but this really isn't relevant. Transracialism (?) isn't a protected characteristic in law in any part of UK. Transgender is.

If you think transracialism should be protected, then campaign for that.

TERF = shut up women, you're not allowed to speak.

No woman should be forced to share a cell with a rapist who still has his cock.

As far as I have read, he IS going to a male prison. He's a danger to women, and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near them in a confined space unsupervised.