to be depressed that only 9% of women identify as feminists?

[parklyfe]

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/only-7-per-cent-of-britons-consider-themselves-feminists/

''When split out by gender, women were more likely to identify as feminist, with nine per cent using the label compared to four per cent of men.''

Yeah. No feminist has ever said anything like that ever.

You know all feminists then?

Are you for real lotta?! Shit like that is said all the time! Trying to say it isn't is ridiculous. It's part of the reason people hate half the feminist claptrap around!

It's not a ludicrous example paul and through.

You could back up your statements about extreme feminists with examples. Just like you could back up a statement about black people who smell with an example of Usain Bolt after a hard training session.

But you don't want to because your examples would be easily shot down with: 'No reasonable person would expect that woman to represent feminism' or 'that person is the fastest man on the planet and is just about to jump in the shower.'

Smells - there is no problem with the term and actually makes complete sense. I'd prefer to feel that we were all equal regardless of whether we're male, female, black, white, gay, straight and anything in between. That - for me anyway - it what I would prefer to identify with.

limitedperiodonly

Julie Bindel thinks that men should be put in concentration camps.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150904155320/www.radfemcollective.org/news/2015/8/29/an-interview-with-julie-bindel" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20150904155320/www.radfemcollective.org/news/2015/8/29/an-interview-with-julie-bindel

I am happy to say that the women who love me would rather not treat me like a library book.

Oh - there was one recently (off the top of my head) where someone on here suggested that all men should be subjected to a curfew (it followed the awful events in Cologne). I disagreed - as most right thinking people would - but she was not shot down. Far from it, in fact.

limitedperiod what are you on about? I have no interest in talking about whether Usain Bolt needs a shower or not

i dont care if you are a man, woman, gay, straight, black, white, tall, short and all other differences between people that they cannot change about themselves, you should have the same opportunities, rights and responsibilities as the person stood next to you.

i think that can be summed up more positively as equalism

The Caitlin Moran quote doesn't rule men out of the feminist group.

All people who answer yes to the question are feminists but not all feminists answer yes to the question.

I like to think that most people want equal rights for women. That's supposed to be what feminism is. Yes, it could be renamed egalitarianism if we wanted to but it's essentially the same thing.

I only know one radical feminist. One of the main tenets of 'her' feminism is that she believes all penetrative sex is rape, or at least degrading and damaging to women. She has a lot of problems and is a very complex, confused person. A lot of what she says is so angry and shouty that it doesn't make much sense.

I only know one radical feminist. One of the main tenets of 'her' feminism is that she believes all penetrative sex is rape, or at least degrading and damaging to women. She has a lot of problems and is a very complex, confused person. A lot of what she says is so angry and shouty that it doesn't make much sense.

and she is what a lot of people think of when you say a feminist

I am indeed for real Paul. A feminist would not complain about having a door held open for them. There's nothing remotely offensive about having a door held open for you. What a narrow view of feminism you have - you are really stuck in the hairy-legged, aggressive, man-hating stereotypes.

Is this one of the examples (that you still haven't shared with us) of what 'extreme feminists' say?

As a random comment, can people ignore the holding of doors open thing? It's such a myth and an old one too. Be a bit more insightful/informative etc. It's an interesting discussion and shouldn't be sidelined by that stuff imo

Smells - there is no problem with the term and actually makes complete sense. I'd prefer to feel that we were all equal regardless of whether we're male, female, black, white, gay, straight and anything in between. That - for me anyway - it what I would prefer to identify with.

High fives SirChenjin.

I went to a informal feminist meeting at uni, and some of the group started criticising some students in short skirts going by. That's when I ditched the femin and opted for the equal. Hard core feminism, my 18 year old self soon decided, was just as restrictive and controlling of women as any patriarchal society.

Another post-and-go thread. OP is only interested in educating others to her views, not in understanding that others may not want or even need educating.

I too identify with Owllady's post. Why the need for constant pigeonholing?

Anybody who reads presented statistics, without having the raw data to hand so that you can see the exact picture, deserves to be :( when they get the media-presented result.

x- with Lotta.

'I mean, anyone can claim to be a feminist but it's the ideas behind that claim that matter.'

Indeed TeaPlease

Julie Bindel thinks that men should be put in concentration camps.

almost everything I said was jumped on by one poster.

Sorry to bang on about this Honeylulu but are you talking about the poster who calmly and rationally explained why you were mistaken - and in short order too - or some other poster?

Because I didn't notice anyone jumping on you on that thread. I did notice that you had made a mistake, which you admitted, and that you had, perhaps inadvertently, misled people.

I wouldn't want that to happen again.

Lotta please don't tell me my views on feminism. It's a pain in the arse.

... and OP? Some people genuinely suffer from depression. Try not to confuse your glib post title of 'annoyance' and 'disdain' with that.

"for too many people, feminist conjures images of hairy, ugly, bra burning, man hating lesbians. like muslims and isis. the extremists hog the limelight- it a pr issue"
If these extremists are "hogging the limelight they seem to be doing it pretty imperceptibly..........!

Nice post SmellsLike.

Part 2 of why feminists irritate me: trying to claim no feminist said something ridiculous

That there is why I dislike providing examples for my opinion. The examples are only asked for so that feminists can tell you you are wrong

YES!