AIBU to be disappointed that not every ( active ) member of MN has not taken part in the Olympic committee's trans policy poll thread?

[SurferJet]

It would take two minutes & you have 3 choices - support, protest. abstain.

What's stopping everyone taking part?

But to change sex. That is one hell of a price to pay.

Really?

All you actually have to do is take the hormones for a year, then compete, then conveniently if you want to revert before the next Olympics, you can stop taking them and change back to a man again.

They wouldn't be able to place any expectations on the trans person about behaviour or presenting as the opposite sex. That would be seen as transphobic, and that's an absolute no no. It's a loophole waiting to happen.

I wish i could find the example of the non-gender conforming transwoman who was congratulated for said non-gender conforming when asking a question at a feminism conference.

This was a male person, no top or bottom surgery, no obvious hormones, no 'dressing like a woman', no long hair, with a beard.
You know, what most people would call a man. But one who identifies as a woman

Afaik many feminists dislike transgender women for reinforcing the stereotypes of "dressing and looking like a woman".
It can be complicated but you can't tell a woman who happens to have a beard that she's not a woman.
You can't tell a woman who dresses in a suit or jeans and t-shirt that she's not one. Or a woman who wears short hair or no make up.
Even a woman with no breasts.

Genitals and chromosomes and the most reliable benchmarks and even they can fail.

What is a woman? What makes a woman? Do we even feel like one?
If I understand it correctly that's what some feminists have been saying and that's why they don't think trans can be women.
And probably why they can accept that person as a woman in the same way they accept trans in stilettos.

beyond

Wasnt that at a green party conference during the election?

Rufus, you may be right, there! Still not helping when i try to google it though

ExitPursuedByABear
But to change sex. That is one hell of a price to pay.

venusinscorpio
All you actually have to do is take the hormones for a year, then compete, then conveniently if you want to revert before the next Olympics, you can stop taking them and change back to a man again.

It would be incredibly hard with many barriers in the way.

Getting the hormones to a permitted level and keeping them there is unlikely to take just a year (a period which the guidelines suggest extending if necessary).

To compete in the Olympics, you have to do well enough in other qualifying competitions to get selected. You then have to meet ongoing requirements to avoid deselection. Training for the Olympics is not a cheap process, involving international competitions and training events. Funding is limited. Some athletes still need to work for a living as well as train.

There's no guarantee that a male athlete taking hormones would satisfy the eligibility criteria or be selected or get the necessary funding. It's not a given that a decent male athlete would prove exceptional if he took hormones and competed in the women's category. He'd have to train whilst contending with all sorts of changes to his body, as well as side effects from the drugs.

It's not a risk that's likely to pay off and it's not likely to go unnoticed or unchecked.

I agree with Maryz. I'm not so worried about individual male athletes, but more how certain countries could abuse the system. Countries that are already abusing the system and systematically doping athletes for sport success.

I am glad that there are women on mumsnet that feel as strongly as I do about this threat to women.

But not at all suprised that loads don't care

It involves sport after all and Mumsnet is massively unsporty. If she were a girl she'd be the sulky gobby one doing everything she could to get off games.

Sulky

gobby

That's a bit harsh.

My god Briss.... do you know me??

It's you isn't it? Mrs Bartholomew, Holmfirth 1993?? I swear to god that note was real

Holmfirth?

Names have been changed to protect the innocent

I care, and i was one of the many sulky, gobby teens skiving off games!!
(Mainly because i was sick of injuring myself. Ah, hindsight is fabulous)