to think that Cilla Black wasn't as perfect as she is made out to be

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According to her son, Cilla Black died laughing at Jeremy Kyle and drinking champagne.

As someone that was supposed to have remembered " where she came from" there are so many anecdotes about what a diva she was. From the way she treated cabin crew, to the time she showed no empathy to the family of a motorcyclist her son had killed in a crash (she was more worried about if he would go to prison) this is just another example of how she saw herself as being above the rest.

Laughing at people who obviously have issues, be it in relationships or in life in general isn't pleasant. I just don't get the public fawning over her when she sounds like an unpleasant person. Perhaps it is just another case of celebrity worship.

Thanks Crispbutty. Hence the thread being posted today.

Im no fan of Cilla but this thread is really odd. What did you do OP, in between planning what to have for Christmas dinner suddenly think "Never mind the turkey, I know what I will do, I will start a hate thread about Cilla Black on MN" type thing? confused

There's an article about her in the press today.

Well isn't this nice. Very Christmassy. I am not in the Cilla Fan Club BTW.

She wasn't particularly pleasant to everyone she met. She was a flawed human being, like everyone else. She could have been nicer. She could have been worse. She did provide entertainment during her lifetime and left behind people who loved her. Does anything else need saying?

I literally havent thought about her for 30 years until this was posted.

Well it's preferable to hear than a Mommy Dearest story

Though I can never understand who gave her a recording contract

'Cilla Fan Club' - head up the arse much? Just because people don't agree with your baffling ranting doesn't mean they liked her

I didn't know her so I can't form an opinion really

I didn't like her politics much

I think ranting on about her online when you knew nothing of her BUT her media imagine is bloody strange to be honest - maybe time for a new hobby!

Suzanne Moore did an article about Cilla in which she described her as a 'pioneer for women in TV':

That this pop star should then reinvent herself in the 1980s as one of our biggest TV stars again owes more to her ability to take control than simply her ability to represent the “girl next door”. Imagine now a primetime show hosted by a woman – a middle-aged woman – who needs no sidekick who makes jokes, interviews and improvises Well, that happened in the 1980s when Cilla hosted both Surprise Surprise and the huge hit Blind Date

I think Suzanne Moore makes a very valid observation with the comment I pubin bold.

Isn't the intention of the makers of JK that the audience points, stares and laughs? You may not chose to watch it, I don't, but that's the premise of the show.

As to Colla, I am not a fan. But millions and millions were. The shows she was in during the eighties were watched by more people than watch Corrie.

Her partiality for a glass of champagne was well known. Can't cane the woman for that.

You don't seem to have much else other than eleventy billion hand heresay OP. Perhaps summon a little Christmas spirit. It's nicer to be nice.

Pubin = put in !

Theres probably articles in the press about loads celebs today but I dont feel the need to start a thread about one.

I was exagerating wasonthelist, still if you think starting a thread to have a go at a dead person whose relatives are facing their first Christmas without her is appropriate and "in the spirit of Mumsnet" then we clearly think differently.

Jeremy Kyle is pantomime it's entertainment and there to be laughed at.
She was a pro at panto and would have completely got what the show was about.

I neither worshipped, or hated and my experience of working with her in panto when I was little was great.
I found her encouraging, sweet and she was lovely to all the kids.

Ghosty. Cilla Fan Club was tongue in cheek

Pathetic post, OP. And pointless.

I know what you mean OP. It's the fact that people are falling over themselves to fawn at her now she's dead. She was a second rate singer who made some second rate TV shows. The accounts of her being a rather unpleasant person are far too widespread to be baseless, and often come from pretty good sources (cabin crew who had to verify their airline before being allowed to post on the relevant forums, people who actually work in TV).

It's a bit like Cheryl Cole. People who suck up publicity and swallow it without question. Someone above claimed it came from magazines, but it doesn't. The magazines buy into the publicity machines and you always get 'True Liverpool Lass Cilla'. But you hear elsewhere she only agreed to do Panto in Liverpool if they sent a car for her there and back to Berkshire everyday and she didn't have to spend any time in Liverpool.

When rumours are that pervasive and widespread, they're normally true. I'm thinking Charles and Diana's marriage problems, ditto his affair with Camilla and her eating disorders, Jimmy Savile's sexual proclivities, George Michael being gay, Michael Jackson being a drug addict. All of these had people pooh, pooh them at the time as being just rumours. All were true.

It's the fact that people are falling over themselves to fawn at her now she's dead.

Where's the fawning?

The fawning was when she passed away, as usually happens when a celeb passes.

But According to her son, Cilla Black died laughing at Jeremy Kyle and drinking champagne. is indescribably pathetic.

I don't get MN sometimes. Some people get ripped apart for the smallest misdemeanours, it doesn't take much for people to say LTB on this site. yet when it comes to others the consensus is "yeah she may have been horrid and nasty but so what"

MN is full of celebs being slagged off for various reasons. Sometimes it's because of the way they dress or the plastic surgery they've had. Atleast the OP is picking up on a celebrity due to the terrible way they treated people

Atleast the OP is picking up on a celebrity due to the terrible way they treated people

Alleged way.

I know of people that did work with her that have as pp said she was lovely.

Or do you only ever believe the negative stories about people?

I don't think a dead celebrity needs to be picked up on.

But According to her son, Cilla Black died laughing at Jeremy Kyle and drinking champagne. is indescribably pathetic.

So her son remembering his mum is now deemed 'pathetic'

What happened with her son? He killed someone?

Season Of Good Will and all that, it's right here from some.

One of her sons was involved in a crash that killed a motorcyclist

Does it matter? She's dead.