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To have finally put my niece in her place after taunting my daughter for what she wears?

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CharlotteY1 · 21/12/2015 18:00

I have a ten year old Dd and an 8 almost 9 year old niece. For a while now when have vsisted my SiL's house or been on a day out together my niece takes it upon herself to carefully "assess" what my dd is wearing and if she doesn't like it then she doesn't hide it.

My Dd is quite a sensitive child and whilst she can usually brush off any teasing she is now sick of her cousin constantly scrutinising what she wears and making fun of her. I've had words with my SiL about this in the past but she just brushes it off sayid that she will "have words with her" but still it continues.

Well today we have been out for our annual Christmas meal, my Dd was dressed lovely yet as per my niece decided to have digs at her telling her that she looks stupid and that's not how her fiends dress. My SiL was sat right next to my niece and then my Dd next to her so she would have heard what she was saying, yet she chose to ignore it. My niece carried on and by this point my Dd was almost in tears so I decided to say something. I told my niece that at least my Dd dresses for her age, she wears clothes that are comfortable and stylish instead of walking round in belly tops and leggings with her backside hanging out! Now you can guess that after blatantly ignoring her dd calling my dd my SiL happened to hear what I had to say didn't she?.....well she wasn't happy. But you know what.....tough, why should I let my not so darling niece ridicule for my dd yet again who by the way dresses lovely usually wearing smart skinny jeans with jewelled tops, body warmer, and smart hi tops, or gorgeous skirt top sets etc. She doesn't walk round looking like she's a teenager like my 8 year old niece does flashing her arse and belly, so Aibu for finally saying something? My Dh doesn't think I am as he's admitted his niece is a little madam but maybe I could have timed it better.

OP posts:
SuburbanRhonda · 22/12/2015 13:10

suburban and that kind of crap is why people are allowed to get away with it

And what kind of crap would that be, tali?

TaliZorah · 22/12/2015 13:11

Suburban crap that puts emphasis on the bully and their feelings. Not the person being bullied.

knobblyknee · 22/12/2015 13:13

Well maybe now the little madam knows how it feels to be on the receiving end. If she quits it, then it worked, and you wont have been uunreasonable.

Sometimes thats the best way to deal with bullies. Its not like you slapped her round the face. And i'd question your SIL's parenting abilities if she thinks that how her daughter behaves is OK. She's not doing the kid any favours, is she?
Your daughter sounds nice, and very mature for her age. Smile

LagunaBubbles · 22/12/2015 13:13

Tali Flowers

So sorry this has had a lasting effect on you and I totally agree with you about the "only kids" attitude lots of people, both here and in real life have.

I think everyone can see what the OP said was wrong but I can empathise with the "pushed to your limits" feeling.

TaliZorah · 22/12/2015 13:17

Laguna

It's fine, I use it as a positive now. But being a suicidal teenager was not fun and it makes me angry how people's attitudes are "the poor bully!".

There was a really easy way for OPs neice to have avoided this. She could have not bullied OPs DD. entirely her own fault.

Obviously what OP said was unpleasant but OP is upset that her daughter is being bullied and is angry at the person doing it. Why is that hard for some people to get?

magoria · 22/12/2015 13:18

OP I think the best response next time you meet up if this happens is for you and your DD to get up and leave.

Go somewhere nice just the pair of you.

Or just do that in future rather than meet up with these two.

SuburbanRhonda · 22/12/2015 13:18

My comment about labelling the child and not the behaviour is standard childcare practice. Nothing about putting anyone's feelings above anyone else's Hmm

TaliZorah · 22/12/2015 13:22

It puts the bully's feelings above that of the victim by excusing the bully.

"You're a really nice person Alison, your behaviour has driven domeone to suicide, but it's just your behaviour that's awful, not you!"

FairyFluffbum · 22/12/2015 13:27

My goodness 17 pages on this!

I can't even be bothered to read it.

At the end of the day, OP, yes you was out of order. You 'slut shamed' an 8 year old.

I understand you was defending your daughter but you did it the wrong way.

You should have said plain and simple "it's not nice to comment on other people's clothes. Stop it. Dd is happy wearing what she wears and you are happy wearing what you wear. Done and dusted. I don't want to hear no more of it"

That is the adult response. You gave the childish response

SuburbanRhonda · 22/12/2015 13:32

"You're a really nice person Alison, your behaviour has driven domeone to suicide, but it's just your behaviour that's awful, not you!"

You seriously think that's what's meant by labelling the behaviour? Good grief.

breezydoesit · 22/12/2015 13:34

YANBU. Hopefully that's her learned her lesson

TaliZorah · 22/12/2015 13:35

I was being facetious but the point remains that sometimes, PEOPLE are arses.

enderwoman · 22/12/2015 13:39

I think you were wrong to slut shame your niece but not wrong to be angry. Do you think that your response would have been more proportional to the crime if you'd said something immediately rather than let her go on and on?
Basically your response to niece's bad behaviour should have been showing your dd how to deal with bitchy comments.
"Stop being rude niece"
"You dress differently to dd - get over it."
"There's more than one type of fashion style"

To be honest how obligatory are your meetings with niece? Many adults avoid IL when they are arses and I would do the same for dd. You don't get to choose family but that doesn't mean that you have to endure bullying.

SuburbanRhonda · 22/12/2015 13:40

Yes, sometimes people behave like arses. In this case, one of those people was the OP.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 22/12/2015 13:48

TaliZorah - I was advising that sharp-toned, blunt approach because the OP seems to think there are only two options - softly-softly, or lashing out verbally in temper at her niece.

I think that, if she does this each and every time her niece starts in on her dd, it will have some effect. Firstly, if she's shut down every time she starts, the niece might stop doing it. Secondly, if the OP is using a clear, carrying, sharp tone every time she stops her niece in her tracks, other people around will hear, and this may be enough to embarrass the girl's mum into finally stepping up and parenting this child properly.

I was horrendously bullied (verbally) all through the last year of junior school and all five years of secondary school - it stopped when we went to sixth form college, but the damage was done by then. My mum told me that I should just ignore the bullies, and they'd get bored and stop - 'sticks and stones would hurt my bones, but calling names wouldn't hurt me' - bollocks, mum!

I wish my mum had spoken up on my behalf - and I wish she had helped me learn how to deal with the bullies. This will sound utterly unbelievable - but I did not know the word Fuck, until I was an adult - my parents utterly disapproved of swearing - but I can't help wondering what would have happened if I had told the bullies to Fuck off!

As someone still suffering the effects of bullying in my childhood (depression, anxiety, low self esteem, suicidal thoughts - I was having those aged 14), I know how damaging bullying is. As the parent of a child who was bullied at school, I know how it is a knife in a parent's heart - and when I found out ds2 was being bullied, I took immediate action - but that action did not involve attacking the child concerned - with my rational adult head on, I could see that he was a victim of his upbringing - even whilst the tiger-mum in me was longing to let loose.

But dh and I did take action - and were prepared to take things as far as necessary. In ds2's case, it was happening at school, and they dealt with it swiftly, firmly and effectively - but we would have done whatever was necessary, had they not sorted it out.

When ds3 was bullied at the same school, we were ready to change schools, if the school hadn't taken it seriously again - which is why I am advocating that the OP cuts down on time spent with this little girl and her mum, if the parents won't discipline their child.

So, whilst I can understand why the OP lost her cool and lashed out, I know it was the wrong thing to do. As an adult, she should apologise for what she said, whilst being crystal clear that she thinks that her niece's behaviour is nasty, bullying behaviour and she will not put up with it any longer.

roundaboutthetown · 22/12/2015 14:39

I entirely agree, SDTG.

HamaTime · 22/12/2015 15:45

Of course it must be that rather than having someone who can be nasty targetting you and having dig after dig to get at you. Those folk just don't exist.

Maybe it is the dig after dig, although why she values the opinion of a younger child or gives even the beginning of a fuck about it is less clear. It would be lovely if nobody ever had a dig at anyone but as other posters have said the 'she's nasty' school of dealing with it has clearly failed as the OPs dd is reduced to tears by a younger child saying her jacket doesn't match. It's not victim blaming to suggest that the OP should concentrate on her dd becoming resilient to bullying. The 'they are twats and you are great' attitude is only one step away from 'they are jealous, that's why they are mean' and I don't know of anyone who has ever fallen for that bullshit. It could of course be that her cousin has hit a nerve. Indeed, the hitting of the nerve might be why clothes are the weapon of choice.

As you clearly ignored the rest of my post I'll reiterate. My mother also disapproved of the way other girls dressed. Some were attention seeking, some were foolish, some were too frilly, some were like lesbians boys, all were 'silly'. Goths were bad, hippies were worse and the 'hookers' were worst of all. To this day she will think that the 'lovely' and 'pretty' and 'age appropriate, sensible' clothes I wore were my own free choice but all I was doing was avoiding the criticism levied at those 'silly' girls. I wanted to fit in, try things out, experiment but I knew there was this veil of criticism over anyone who did any of these things. The only thing worse than my more stylish cousin ripping my gear apart would be my middle aged mother wading in and shouting that my clothes were 'age appropriate, stylish and comfortable'. I didn't want to be comfortable. I wanted to look like Madonna in Desperately seeking Susan.

rainbowstardrops · 22/12/2015 16:36

I would seriously consider socialising with these people again op - they all sound utterly vile.

If you absolutely can't avoid another family gathering and dn starts her tricks then I'd shut her up quick as a flash. Or better still, teach your dd to.

Something along the lines of, "Oh do be quiet dn, you're actually getting boring now. Why do you feel the need to be so unkind?"

I'm assuming, "Jeez, would you shut the fuck up you little brat? might get frowned upon by MN. Xmas Wink

Enjolrass · 22/12/2015 16:39

but the point remains that sometimes, PEOPLE are arses.

Yep, they are and the OP was here.

I get that she was pissed off, I get that it upset her, I get that she lost her temper.

We can all be unreasonable when we lose our temper.

But it's still unreasonable

Brioche201 · 22/12/2015 17:29

Also I think your DD needs to develop a bit of resilience.Being reduced to tears by a cousin 2 years younger than her teasing her about her clothes is a bit wet.I guess she is Y6 and strarting secondary school soon.She needs to toughen up a bit!!

TaliZorah · 22/12/2015 17:32

The OPs daughter is not wet. What is wrong with people.

Brioche201 · 22/12/2015 17:40

I think she should be able to fight her own battles a bit against younger children by now.

laughingatweather · 22/12/2015 17:47

The DN should have been told off and the reasons explained.

OP shouldn't have reverted to childish comments herself so lost any point she was making. And her point WAS valid before she lost her cool. And I understand it's easy to lose your cool when your child is being hurt but OP didn't just make a snappy remark, she replicated the DNs use of appearance being something to be commented on negatively.

I couldn't help reading her comments in a childish voice 'err, you look like this..and...and..' was expecting her to end it with 'my Dad's better than your Dad' or similar.

It's very possible to point out unacceptable behaviour in children without employing the same childish opinions/behaviour.

kali110 · 22/12/2015 17:54

Agree with you there tali
Really disgusted by all these comments blaming op's dd!
She has done nothing wrong.
It doesn't matter that she is older, she is still the victim!!!

TaliZorah · 22/12/2015 17:55

Kali people on this thread are being twats

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