To think the WEP should not be campaigning for men to be allowed to stay overnight on postnatal wards?

[CallaLilli]

I was just having a look at some of the objectives for the WEP and noticed they have a Stand Up for Dads campaign. Now whilst I agree with a lot of what they say on that page, one of the things they say is:

“hospitals don’t seem to take dads seriously. Many treat new fathers and new co-parents as visitors who have to stick to visiting hours or at best sleep in a chair. All new mums should be allowed a partner with them 24-7 if they choose.”

Countless women on MN have spoken of their experiences on postnatal wards and the majority of them have said that they would not want men staying on the ward 24/7, at a time when they feel at their most vulnerable. Am I BU to think that a party set up for women should be more considerate of what women want?

It pleases me so much that I don't really care.

I can't remember the poster that said she'd tweet this thread to WEP?

Would be very interesting to see what they think of it.

Mailgirls's attitude is just proving our points about bolshy men.

I for one welcome men on the wards 24/7. It's the way it should be

Yeah - but you're a man, so you don't get a vote.

Swg, I was in for 7 days, complications for me and baby. I'm quite happy with partners going home at night if on a ward. Even though it might have helped me to have my partner there.

It's the way what should be? If it's not what the actual patients want, then end of story.

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OP here! I vote we just ignore the GF as MNHQ are bound to remove him/her in the morning.

Would be really interesting to get WEP's feedback on this thread if someone does tweet them, as I'm not sure how the research behind their campaigns and objectives is carried out.

Not you arf.

@swg1: Well, that'd be something where the WEP could actually do something, isn't it?

They could campaign for a) permission for female relatives or unrelated female friends to stay with new mothers (and possibly also for them to get leave by their employers) and/or b) establish a service for women who don't have relatives and suffer from anxiety when alone in a hospital. A social worker who comes there and helps out, and shouts at nurses who are being unreasonable.

This sort of thing is already done by volunteers -. there are women who devote some hours in their week to protecting women who want an abortion from the crazy anti-choicers who are looming outside clinics.

A political party could achieve that they are paid.

Somewhat related, I think society as a whole needs to move away from the heterosexual-couple-norm. It just isn't reality for many people. For example, I am not a lesbian, but would like to be able to just name one female friend as a person who is allowed to visit me in hospital as relative.

WEP should read all the threads on this subject - there have been many - and while many would like their partner to be able to stay with them - the vast majority would forego this because they don't want strange men staying overnight on shared wards.

Swg i'm not sure as many people who would be for it would actually post on here, as i remember how the last thread went.
I nearly didn't post on here.
I haven't said people who disagree with me are wrong yet i've been insulted, look at dangermouses post she's too scared to even come back.

The real, underlying issue with policies of this kind is twerps like little mailers there. Many, many women have post natal complications - I certainly did. However, the talk around these policies encourages the general idea that pregnancy and childbirth are almost nothing for the woman involved and the hospital stay, where necessary, is a bit of a rest. Whereas actually, women on post natal wards often have a real, proper medical need to be there which should not be belittled and minimised, and certainly not in some misguided attempt to give fathers additional rights at this point.

Women who have, or are about to give birth need to be at the forefront of any policy around birth. The rights and preferences of anyone other than the gravida are irrelevant.

Hopefully you will change nothing Abbie. The less women only spaces the better

Why not?

VestalVirgin I'd love it, but I can't see a party that still thinks women should pay tax on tampons allowing anything that might cost them, or businesses, money..

On the one female friend - I think you can, if you legally go through hoops to make them Next Of Kin? A friend of mine did it for someone she knew who was in and out of hospital a lot and had literally no family. I know there were legal hoops, but I don't know what they are.

The less women only spaces the better

Well, thankfully there's little you can do to prevent women from associating with each other should they choose to. I'm in a female only space right now and it's GREAT.

Not for long Abbie :)

Is Burke the Berk back again? Just ignore him, he'll get bored soon enough.