To think the WEP should not be campaigning for men to be allowed to stay overnight on postnatal wards?

[CallaLilli]

I was just having a look at some of the objectives for the WEP and noticed they have a Stand Up for Dads campaign. Now whilst I agree with a lot of what they say on that page, one of the things they say is:

“hospitals don’t seem to take dads seriously. Many treat new fathers and new co-parents as visitors who have to stick to visiting hours or at best sleep in a chair. All new mums should be allowed a partner with them 24-7 if they choose.”

Countless women on MN have spoken of their experiences on postnatal wards and the majority of them have said that they would not want men staying on the ward 24/7, at a time when they feel at their most vulnerable. Am I BU to think that a party set up for women should be more considerate of what women want?

Right... except men get a chance here to help out

Agree ! For fucks sake it's only a few days - no men - no no - and no extra women either for that matter

It's nothing to do with "helping out", it's about women having the right to recover from childbirth without being in a room full of strange men. Plenty of time for fathers to help out when the baby comes home.

But I'm sure you got that. I call GF...

I was considering joining the WEP but not now. WTF are they thinking with this hopelessly pointless policy? It will never happen due to space and NHS funding. And, oh yeah, a very large percentage of women would be fucking horrified by it.

Is there literally no space for women now that men are not allowed to insert themselves into? This has really pissed me off.

If only there were some way for men to engage in childcare in some way other than overnight on the postnatal ward. Imagine if lots of dads had children at home who needed looking after too! #ihaveadream

I call glue callalilli.

Men don't get men only spaces. It's all mixed. Why do you need women only spaces?

And if the issue is poor maternity care well that needs addressing - how dare post natal women have to have this lack of privacy ? As we waddle around with swollen breast and dripping blood
Outrageous

Well Mail sometimes when women have been traumatised, sleepless, cut open in emergency situations and are bleeding, in pain, exhausted and vulnerable, maybe it's the way we want it.

Wait, is this the same poster who accused women of infiltrating "men's spaces", ie pubs and garden sheds, last week?

Men, like women, are mostly able to be nursed on single sex wards in hospital now. Thankfully. The NHS are attempting to phase out mixed wards, except in maternity. So no, it is not in fact 'all mixed'.

Toilets are women and men only spaces - personally bleeding, leaking milk with a piss bag at the end of my bed is NOT where I want to be when strange men are wandering about

I managed all 3 times without my husband glued to my side 24/7 - woman up ffs!

Then move the protective curtain to cover the bed. Every ward has them

Men don't get men only spaces.

Hahahahahaha. Oh my sides.

When men give birth, they can start arguing about men only spaces - meanwhile - they kind of have the rest of the world. They can leave the maternity ward at night, and still muck in with the babycare.

WEP have shown MN how they listen to women, unfortunately .

Protective curtain

You get funnier and funnier, Mailgirls. You're a hoot.

Try reading the thread.

Oh look, Mail doesn't even like us having a thread about women to ourselves. Surprise!

I know I am hilarious

Mmmm. F4J?

Jeffrey?????

GF that's for sure.

Nah mate, just a boring unoriginal twat.

Yes, that is more likely.

Surely by resorting to insults you have lost the argument

Tbh, you aren't really putting forward much of an argument so talk of winners and losers is premature.

Can I just take a quick survey? Can people give the time they were in hospital after giving birth, whether there were complications, whether they had to be consultant/midwife-led and whether they are for and against men sleeping over?

From my guesses on people speaking up, the people generally preferring help sleeping over are the people who had complex births who had to stay in longer. The people who'd prefer not are the people who stayed in relatively short periods. To me those are completely different cases.

For me: In eight days, complications for both me and baby, checked out against medical advice due to desperation, for help being allowed to sleep over.