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Take a look at this article about supporting families of Transgender people by the Gires.org.uk Website to see why that view is so utterly incorrect and harmful?
www.gires.org.uk/assets/supporting-families.pdf

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I get that people object to being labelled "cis" - it can feel like trans women are trying to call them a name, and this being the Internet, some people do actually do that. It's really just a handy term, like trans, and just like some people making trans into a term of abuse shouldn't stop it being useful, the same applies to Cis. There is a whole group of women. Some are white women, some are black women. Some are butch women, some are feminine women. Some are cis women, some are trans women.

2. I haven't seen that list, but I'd offer the example of Cis privilege I used up thread. I benefit from cis privilege if II date someone without the risk that I may be beaten or killed if they find out about my past. I also benefit from cis privilege in that I can be confident of finding a public toilet which I can use without being asked to leave because of my gender.

Sian I really don't understand what you are on about? But this study examined the outcomes for every trans* person in Sweden from 1979 to 2003 and showed that transwomen commit crime at the same rate as men and gender realignment surgery does not alleviate suicde/morbidity rates and as treatment for transsexualism.

Rollergirl7 I actually agree with you on that - activism is full of extremist arseholes and trans activism is no different.

"The rate of inmate-on-inmate sexual victimization [PDF] is at least 3 times higher for females (13.7%) than males (4.2%)"

It's all a bit Lord Of The Flies in prisons, isn't it? Care to guess what the male prison rate would be if you threw in a couple of women there with the men?

There is a reason for sex segregation in prisons. It is a clear sign of delusion and/or intellectual dishonesty if you can't admit that.

CactusAnnie I understand there are a vocal minority who do believe this but I also think that the majority of the trans community DOES want to remove gender expectations and restrictions. It's just that their belief that this can be achieved by thinking of gender as a "spectrum" rather than "binary" and people transitioning or talking about their gender fluidity is at odds with what the gender critics believe.

gender realignment surgery does not alleviate suicde/morbidity rates and as treatment for transsexualism.
That's shocking.

sian 2 women are murdered a week by their partners because of what they have between their legs.

And what about those of us who are neither "trans" nor "cis"? Well, apparently we're transphobic and our lack of gender identity is the reason trans people commit suicide each year, because we refuse to acknowledge gender as a concept.

The hypocrisy is massive - "I can identify as any gender I want, but you HAVE to identify as a gender so I can call you cis".

So you get that people object to being labeled, but you're going to do it anyway because it suits you and you don't feel like respecting other's wishes. As long as we're clear on that .

And you're on here wanting to talk about cis privelige, but are unaware of what is being commonly bandied about as cis privelige?

"cis privilege if II date someone without the risk that I may be beaten or killed if they find out about my past"

Really now. No woman has ever been killed by a husband or partner who has found out he has been lied to

I benefit from cis privilege if II date someone without the risk that I may be beaten or killed if they find out about my past

really?

So DV against women doesn't exist?

TheXXed that's a really interesting study, thank you.

The conclusion is actually "Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group." which is perfectly sensitible - people need more treatment than just surgery to be happy.

Why do trans activists always take on this incredibly patronising tone with gender-critical women? (When they're not telling us to die in fires, that is.) 'Come on guys, it's only a little word! Just call yourself cis, guys :)' - do they honestly think we're too thick to have come to a conclusion ourselves about it?

I benefit from cis privilege if II date someone without the risk that I may be beaten or killed if they find out about my past

Women get beaten or killed if their partners find out about their past all the time. Why can't you grasp that?

Yes and do you think that doesn't happen to women?

Has a woman never been beaten up or killed when her husband found out that she was once a prostitute?

Ugh cis really gets my goat - I am a woman because I have the biological realities of a woman, I do not ascribe to gender so actually my gender doesn't match my sex.

I honestly believe I'd have been just as happy (and better paid) if I'd been born a man because I definitely don't "feel like a woman". So actually cis isn't as helpful as woman and transwoman, thanks.

Trans women are disproportionately likely to experience hate violence. Just like black women are at risk of racial hate. That's not related to domestic violence, those are different things. Just like my white privilege doesn't mean that the gender based risk of DV vanishes, my cis privilege doesn't. Same way that my white privilege protects me from racist violence, but not domestic violence.

Recently a woman in Florida was disembowelled by her boyfriend because she said her 'ex's' name during sex. (I would post a link but it's really horrible). Yeah, I guess she was really 'cis priveleged'.

Ah yes, domestic violence against women is just 'regular' violence. Violence against transwomen is special.

Do trans women really suffer more from violence or do they suffer the same rates as women? Might come as a bit of a shock to the system to realise living as a women can be really quite shitty a lot of the time.

You nailed it, Maud.

The problem is still male violence, Siani, whether against a transwoman or a woman. The woman does not have a privelige to not suffer male violence from a partner because she is not a transwoman.

It does feel like you haven't understood the issues being discussed if you need that spelling out.