WIBU to ask MNers who think Trans Women are 'Chicks With Dicks' to ...

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Take a look at this article about supporting families of Transgender people by the Gires.org.uk Website to see why that view is so utterly incorrect and harmful?
www.gires.org.uk/assets/supporting-families.pdf

I have committed the crime of not RTFT but I read Noodles post and just wanted to thank her.

I have been trying to explain to my husband and son why transgender issues makes me uncomfortable but couldn't explain it well.

I read your post to them and I think they got it.

I think it is just fine to pick apart what Lila wore when Lila went to school in a short skirt, high heels and no underwear.

Specifically a skirt that left one in no doubt about the "going commando" status even when upright and walking. Let alone when seated, or reaching up/down to put something in a locker.

When a person is insisting on access to an area where they can justifiably be naked with their genitals visible it is entirely reasonable to consider their rather startling (lack of) clothing choices and question if part of the motivation to access that area is because said person gets titilated by the idea that their genitals can be seen by people who don't want to see them.

Perhaps that was why the unisex bathroom just wouldn't do.

I'd rather that possibility wasn't hand wafted away in the name of young trans feelings matter, but young female ones not so much.

Washington Post note that 'She now also tries to avoid using the bathroom at her high school: a difficult task for a teenage girl.' Well, yes, for five days a month for a teenage girl it would be - but the specific reasons a teenage girl needs to use to the bathroom more than a teenage boy quite obviously don't apply! And yet we seem to have to pretend they do! Fucking lunacy.

"young trans feelings matter, but young female ones not so much."

Even putting aside the 'trans' in that sentence, it is a terrible message to give teenage girls that their discomfort re trampling of their personal boundaries don't matter, and that they should not protest when adults or people in authority force them into these situations.

For the same reason, I have always respected DC's wishes not to hug or kiss adults they don't know or don't particularly like.

There is no 'wrong body' - there is only your body. This all makes me angrier every day ..

Obviously we don't know Lila. And there MIGHT be some innocent explanation for the swinging dick photos.

But the thing that makes me the most concerned here is that a large number of the girls that DO know Lila are protesting, and I think refusing to listen to them and assuming they are all 'bigots' is utterly inexcusable and the people who are doing that should be ashamed.

I think from the video that the sans grots scenario wasn't accidental.

it is a terrible message to give teenage girls that their discomfort re trampling of their personal boundaries don't matter, and that they should not protest when adults or people in authority force them into these situations.

Agree utterly and completely with this Cote.

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Re terrible message.

I think in this case the crappy cherry on the shit cake in this specific case is that girls are possibly being ordered to ignore their inner "threat radar" pinging like demented submarine that just spotted a warhead pointed at them.

As we all know it can be a hard enough road as it is, to travel from girlhood to womanhood learning to listen to your "something well off here" instinct rather than prioritising being "nice and polite and kind".

Creating rules that enforce nice and polite over "ping ping fucking loud ping- not safe - ping !" is a potentially lethal influence on young females' development.

If inner "safety radars" are being reframed as "hate and bigotry" flavoured, god help the next generation of females. Becuase our generation sure as hell aren't giving them a leg up. More like a foot on the head.

Yes, Atomik this worries me too. A lot.

'If inner "safety radars" are being reframed as "hate and bigotry" flavoured, god help the next generation of females.'

Yes, this. It's bad enough when they're framed as 'rude' or 'prudish', but 'hateful and bigoted' is a whole new level of awfulness.

The irony is that there is beginning to be a wider discussion about what constitutes consent. We are trying to teach girls that they can and should say no if they wish, and that their wishes should be respected. That for someone to pressure them is unacceptable and consent given under pressure isn't consent. That no one has a right to your body but you. That the absence of No does not equal yes.
And then the world goes "yes you bloody will get naked and vulnerable and share your personal space with this male person, you little bigot, do as you are told"

What about the CONSENT of girls and women?

I remember at school as a teenager (I think about 13) being forced to play some godawful party game where you had to get really close to the boys and get a balloon with your neck that they were holding with theirs. I did it the first time, hated it, and refused to do it again, and got bullied by some of the other kids about it and the teachers weren't particularly sympathetic. That felt like a violation of my boundaries. But I'm so glad I didn't have to undress in front of the boys. It's outrageous that they expect the girls to accept this.

Atomik: 'I think in this case the crappy cherry on the shit cake in this specific case is that girls are possibly being ordered to ignore their inner "threat radar" pinging like demented submarine that just spotted a warhead pointed at them.'

Brilliantly put. It is already so hard being a teenage girl because basically you're constantly told that you're responsible for men's and boys' sexual feelings towards you, that it's up to you to fend off unwanted advances, that if you end up in a situation where you are being molested or abused, it's your fault for being too trusting. We expect girls to be alert to the existence of sexual predators: we warn them about walking home alone, about being out late at night, about wearing "provocative" clothing.

And then, apparently, we demand that they allow a 17-year old male into their changing rooms, and tell them that if they feel uncomfortable with that it's because they're bigots.

Maybe it will take a brave 14 year old reporting Lila for walking around with her penis on show, especially as she will soon be 18.

Kate Middleton/Catherine Cambridge was called an exhibitionist for doing the same thing as Lila, short skater skirt/dress blowing around in the wind, no underwear, in front of press.

Does Gabrielle have no self respect? Does she think she is competing on a level playing field? Seriously?

Saw this today Illinois transgender student must get full locker room access. The student in question said "It is a good day for all students, but especially those who are transgender all across the nation." Um no, it most definitely is NOT a good day for teenage girls who don't want to share a locker room with a penised individual.

The article also mentions a trans first grader, which would put them at about six years old. SIX! I do sometimes wonder if some parents can’t deal with the idea of a son who likes to play with “girls toys” and would rather he be a girl than be a gay boy.

If I said I felt disabled and wanted to compete in the Paralympics, there would (rightly) be an outcry. How us that any different to a male person competing in women's sport?

I think they claim that after hormone treatment they don’t have superior strength. That could be why trans MMAs are allowed to fight with women.

Hermione that's what I don't get... you have different catagories in the paralympics. It would be like my uni friend who competed in the games as a partially sighted swimmer, competing in the same swimming catagory as a paraplygic (sp) competitor.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/11973253/Revealed-How-to-be-a-Modern-Lady.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook Seen this?

" teenage girls who don't want to share a locker room with a penised individual."

Boy. As in, a human male who is not yet an adult. As per dictionary definitions.

No doubt someone will come along to call me a transphobe, but I do believe that we are playing into the hands of those gas lighting us with all this Newspeak by not using words according to their dictionary definitions.