to think if you have a penis, you do not belong in a woman's prison

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There is to be an appeal tomorrow, at Bristol Crown Court, regarding the decision to send violent criminal Tara Hudson, who works as a transsexual prostitute (still has a penis, as 80% of transsexuals do), to male prison. Tara wants to go to a female prison.

AIBU to think that if you have a penis, you should go to male prison?

People are arguing that Tara is at risk of sexual assault, but Tara is not unique in this - lots of (non transgender) men are vulnerable, and the prison service has a responsibility to protect them.

Lol KkCupcakes. What basic research have you done? Maybe start by reading the thread?

Cupcakes- can you link to the research that supports your post, please?

I can tell Cupcakes has RTFT and appreciated the balanced and nuanced discussion that has taken place.

Also, I'm interested in the source for your stat that 40% of transgender people commit (not attempt or contemplate) suicide.

www.gires.org.uk/assets/supporting-families.pdf

Also RL experience, my Wife is Trangender and very much a woman.

If someone is Transgender they think and feel the same way as any 'born' woman does.

How do they know how a born women feels as they are not born women themselves?

I am a born woman and even I don't know how other born women feel.

No one can know exactly how anyone else feels, man or woman.

That link is very nice and all, but doesn't support any of your points KKCupcakes

46% of women prisoners reported having attempted suicide at some point in their lives. This is more than twice the rate of male prisoners (21%) and higher than in the general UK population amongst whom around 6% report having ever attempted suicide. prison reform trust
research done

cupcakes we are all assuming your wife tends not to assault people.

I am happy that you and your wife are happy. I'm curious what does "very much a woman" mean to you?

Your link doesn't support your stat that 40% of TG people commit suicide.

The thing is, Cupcakes, if you've RTFT you'll know that this particular trans person is violent, has major anger issues and brags on sex sites about the "seven-inch surprise" in her pants. I very much doubt that your wife is anything like that - my MTF friend definitely isn't.

Tara Hudson's right to be safe from men appears to be trumping the right of women prisoners to be safe from Tara. Do you appreciate why women are angry about this?

The media could really have gone to town with this.

String of violent convictions.

A fucking GUN tattooed on her leg.

Seven-inch surprise.

:( Oh dear. I can see I'm in the wrong place entirely. Some of the crap some Transwomen have to put up with is obscene. I have been in Transgender support as part of my employment for years. The research is all available on the The Gires website, but I understand it involves trawling.

Colleagues super gluing razor blades under car door handles the first day of transitioning, school friends setting fire to, beating up, and 'branding' with cigarettes newly transitioned girls and boys, new transitioned women and men being chased, beaten and disfigured by people they previously called friends. All for the despicable reason of being true to the person they know themselves to be. I know it is hard to understand, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. I'm leaving MN for a bit, I'm just a bit upset by the whole way this issue has dealt with by women I thought knew better.

And this is how discussion of issues around trans* is always shut down, and why the media don't always report things properly....

Before I go, one last thing, my issue isn't with 'Tara' it is with the whole language surrounding Transgenderism which i find appalling. I am actually ashamed to read some of the comments on Transgenderism on this Thread.

Cupcakes - I am sorry you are upset. And the incidents you describe are despicable.

It doesn't mean it's right for this trans individual to be un segregated in a women's prison.

You can be against both abuse and this decision you know.

cupcakes nobody is saying that violence and discrimination against TG people is OK - nobody.

What we are saying is that:

1. that trans women are different to biological women
2. the current position that anyone who declares they "feel like a woman" legally is one and can access women only spaces is problematic in many ways.

If you see that as hateful and on a par with physical violence then so be it.

I have not taken part in that behaviour, what is the point in posting about such sad experiences?

Thanks for the insight limited, I was rather hoping that the press had caught themselves out with a lack of research in the rush to print, and then were then too proud to admit it.

"I'm leaving MN for a bit, I'm just a bit upset by the whole way this issue has dealt with by women I thought knew better."

God, this sort of thing pisses me off. It's a complex, nuanced issue. It is outrageous that somehow any questioning, discussion or concern is regarded as negative and hostile. Go on, off you go. Stop trying to emotionally blackmail people.

I'm just a bit upset by the whole way this issue has dealt with by women I thought knew better.

And there's the whole issue, isn't it? Yet again, women are expected to be the ones who "know better", the ones who'll sacrifice our own comfort and safe spaces and, in many cases, our safety, so that one person who was born male, and has all the privileges that being born male entails, and who has no idea what it feels like to be female (as there is no female 'feeling', we aren't all just one big congealed vagina-and-boobed blob), with no experience or desire to experience the sexism and discrimination that born women face (because if they do, it's never sexism, it's always transphobia), can be happy.

Yep, I've hit trans-peak.

Yup. Trans peak.

Why are you ashamed to read comments by strangers on the internet cupcakes?