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Original poster

To feel it is high time that Israel/Palestinian issue got resolved?

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SippyDippy · 12/10/2015 21:56

conflict us starting up again. I cannot bear another round of children being killed indiscriminately. The super powers would have you believe that it is all oh so very complicated. its not though is it. It is so bloody unfair how those children will keep dying if the status quo is maintained. Something needs to change.

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squidzin · 13/10/2015 14:03

What Can We Personally Do to Get Lasting Peace Between Palestine and Israel? - huff.to/1LqSCGB

samG76 · 13/10/2015 14:04

Slaggy Island - sounds as if you're believing everything you're sent. Do you reply to emails from Nigeria asking you to send cash?

Was this the 13 year old who attacked and critically wounded a Jewish 13 year old, and was praised by members of the PA cabinet? And wasn't the Palestinian toddler was killed because Hamas intelligently put an arms dump into the house next door. Very sad, of course, but scarcely all the fault of the Israelis.....

squidzin · 13/10/2015 14:07

Active boycotting of Israeli goods (because they are never labelled as being produced in illegaly occupied areas) is a start...

SlaggyIsland · 13/10/2015 14:07

samG76 there's no reason to be snide. I follow some groups who are on the ground in the west bank such as ISM (International Solidarity Movement, of whom Rachel Corrie was a member) and Christian Peacemaker who escort small children to school past the checkpoints.

SlaggyIsland · 13/10/2015 14:10

Oh and B'Tselem who as you'll know doubt be aware are an Israeli NGO.
www.btselem.org/

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SippyDippy · 13/10/2015 14:47

Samg76. It is disgusting how you blame the palestinians for Israel army killing their children. What happened to pin point precision? If you had to swap lives with the palestinians, I wonder if you would be so smug then. Don't you get tired of victim blaming??

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EllyHigginbottom · 13/10/2015 14:51

Israel will aways have cover. They perpetrate heinous war crimes against the Palestinians, who naturally make attempts at a reasonable defence. Their paltry stockpile of inferior weapons (like rocks) will always serve as a pretext for more war crimes.

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SippyDippy · 13/10/2015 15:00

Why does settler terrorism carry no repercussions, but palestinian children throwing stones at soldiers is punishable by death. It is a sick mentality.

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EllyHigginbottom · 13/10/2015 15:02

Because ultimately Israelis are viewed as white Westerners, whereas Palestinians are not.

Fishboneschokus · 13/10/2015 15:38

Have only read half thread so far but I was there recently and was taken around by Palestinians (one Muslim, one Christian, fwiw).

I could not believe the size of the settlements. I was expecting a few buildings but this looked like Milton Keynes.

Also, West Jerusalem was buzzing and relaxed; no noticeable military, unlike before the wall was built.

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SippyDippy · 13/10/2015 15:41

I wonder how Gaza looks.

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SippyDippy · 13/10/2015 15:44

The palestinians have been cornered. They can either do or die. What would you do???

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crystalgall · 13/10/2015 16:03

i'm sure Gaza looks like Milton Keynes

Fishboneschokus · 13/10/2015 16:12

Also loads of settlers in E Jerusalem; Silwan

The Palestinians said that they can't drive their cars on Sabbath and get stoned if they do.

samG76 · 13/10/2015 16:19

SippyDippy - they're not cornered at all. They have a much better standard of living than a lot of their neighbours, a Western life expectancy, access to decent education and healthcare, most of which was introduced by the Israelis. And most Palestinians are in Area A, which means they wouldn't see an Israeli soldier for weeks on end. Where in the ME do you think Palestinians do better?

hampsterdam · 13/10/2015 16:22

Crystal I assume that is a sick joke, unless half the population of Milton Keynes are children so badly traumatised by bombardment and blockade that they have nightmares, bed wet and ptsd, then no gaza looks nothing like it. Gaza looks like hell on earth and as a mother and a human being it sickens me and break my heart that anyone would try to justify the indiscriminate slaughter of innocent women and children sheltering in Un schools or playing football on the beach.

caroldecker · 13/10/2015 18:30

If the Palestinians had not voted for and stopped voting for Hamas and Fatah, who want all Jews dead and are anti-semetic as well as anti-Israeli, then some solutions may be possible.
Israel has reacted to continuous attacks since 1948, when Arab countries invaded the day after the UN declared the state of Israel. It has not started any of these.

Alisvolatpropiis · 13/10/2015 18:43

hamp

Crystal is being sarcastic, another poster said it was like Milton Keynes seriously, so that's who you should take issue with.

Fishboneschokus · 13/10/2015 19:06

I did NOT say that Gaza was like Milton Keynes.
I said that the settlements that I saw in the WB looked like Milton Keynes.

hampsterdam · 13/10/2015 19:14

Carol half the population of gaza are under 18. Not sure how they voted for hamas before they were born for most of them.
Hamas didn't exist in 1948. Or 67. So blaming hamas won't work.
You will make excuses for the inexcusable and defend the indefensible and that's your perogative, but you will eventually find yourself on the wrong side of history.
Above the law, beneath contempt.

squidzin · 13/10/2015 19:36

Hampsterdam. YY times a million.

Fishboneschokus · 13/10/2015 19:41

Jewish settlements, in case I was unclear.

squidzin · 13/10/2015 19:44

Opposing the expansion of Isreal is not antisemitism.

sticks2 · 13/10/2015 20:10

Think about why the Palestinians and certain Arab Israelis aren't allowed to go where they want.

Because they blow people up. They send rockets into Israel. They are ruled by terrorists. They want to annihilate Israel and all Jews. Israelis, though, except for a few religious nutters in the West Bank, don't want to hurt Palestinians. They just want the violence to stop.

So, imagine, you're living in England and Scottish citizens start sending rockets and bombs and suicide bombers to blow up bus stations and schools, and people are getting stabbed (not that all this is reported outside of England of course)... You'd just say - "fine. No problem, people of Scotland. It's all our fault. We shouldn't be here in the first place." No, you protect your citizens and try to negotiate for peace. (As someone said up thread, it would be helpful to vote out right wing Bibi and Hamas)

As for "child after child after child" dying SillyDippy Haven't you realised yet that Palestinians place their arms in schools, that they fight from behind their own children? It's great PR. (Israel, on the other hand, are crap at PR.)

Of course the Palestinians are suffering and most Israelis and Jews are appalled by it but there's no hatred for Palestinians.

There is, though, and there always has been, hatred for Jews. And anger they're allowed their own state.

So it's unlikely there will ever be peace.

But there will always be ignorance. Especially on Mumsnet.

Pepperpot99 · 13/10/2015 20:13

caroldecker what is your view of the settlements? Do you agree that they are stolen and should be returned? Or maybe you are like the extreme lunatic Zionist 'settler' I watched on channel 4 news the other week who claimed that all the land should be taken 'because it says so in the Bible'?