To feel it is high time that Israel/Palestinian issue got resolved?

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conflict us starting up again. I cannot bear another round of children being killed indiscriminately. The super powers would have you believe that it is all oh so very complicated. its not though is it. It is so bloody unfair how those children will keep dying if the status quo is maintained. Something needs to change.

Slaggy - one state solution! what a great idea! But I think the Israelis would feel bad at jumping the queue to reach this paradise.

Perhaps we should stick together India and Pakistan, the former Yugoslavia, reattach East Timor to Indonesia, and solve the Syrian/Iraqi/ISIS conflicts. When the Israelis and Palestinians see how peacefully these all turn out, no doubt they will be chomping at the bit to get their own binational state.

Got a better suggestion samG76? Because the two-state solution negotiations have been an abject failure and frankly there's not enough land left of Palestine to make a country any more - Gaza and the West Bank don't even connect.
Not that the Israelis have an incentive to find any solution whatever at present, as their sponsors the US continue bank-rolling them as they chisel away at ever more West Bank land.

I can't exactly claim credit for the one-state solution either - it's been mooted for years, and there are plenty of articles which argue the case well.

Recent opinion piece on a one-state solution

Isreal need to go back behind the green line to the land they were given and get off the land they have stolen. The international community should be boycotting and condemning the illegal actions of isreal. Until that happens nothing will change. The third intifada is coming, the frustration and anger is bubbling over and the Palestinians have very little left to lose.

I mean honestly what is the point. As PP said there is barely any land left for the Palestinians. All Israel does is give more and more land to 'settlers' who literally drag people out of their homes and take the house and land while soldiers watch on. Or land which has already been taken and when Palestinians try to reclaim they are beaten/jailed/killed.

The 2 state solution is slipping away and a one state solution will ensure the destruction of isreal as a Jewish state.

Israel will NEVER go back to that state. They have no incentive being US allies. They have power money weapons bombs and a total
disregard for Palestinian life. They are literally wiping them off the face of the earth and there is nothing we can do. Boycotts are not going to work. One can only
Hope in th age of social media th Palestinians can get more and more videos out showing their inhumane treatment. Although this already happened last year and caused outrage it still hasn't changed anything. But at least the videos can knock Israel of their righteous pedestal of
Defending themselves

Slaggy - do you think that creating conditions for a Syria type slaughter is a solution of any sort? Given what the Islamic militants have been doing to other Muslims, what do you think they will do to the Jews? How many asylum seekers do you think the West should take? clue - will need to be in the millions.

samG76 we'll have to agree to disagree on the outcome of a one-state solution. I certainly don't consider the Palestinian people as in any way equivalent to Isis extremists. In fact I think it's incredibly insulting but I suppose it does play into the narrative that Muslim = Terrorist which is one of the ways Israel continues to maintain Western support.

erm, yeah. I'd also quite like world hunger resolution, and world peace, and a cure for cancer.

It aint gonna happen , and not in our children's lifetimes either. Now as for our grandchildren's generation- maybe they will have so many climate issues that they override the usual land/religions ones?

human being are destructive fuckers always have been. I read DS history books and we say "shit how bad it was", then I read about Assads dungeons---- not much has changed in some areas when it comes to mans inhumanity

Slaggy - Israel maintains support in the West because it is one of the few places in the ME where there are free trade unions, same sex partnerships, no honour killings or public beheadings, a decent legal system, and a pro-Western attitude among the public. Not to say there aren't any problems, of course, but ask a journalist where in the ME they would like to be based, and I think Israel will be pretty high on the list.

samG76 I'm afraid that all of that, whilst well and good, is negated by Israel's monstrous treatment of Palestinians.
They are in violation of I don't know how many US resolutions. They steal land. They commit war crimes and ex-judicial killings.
I don't care how many gay pride parades they have in Tel Aviv. They can't pinkwash away the slaughter.

There is absolutely nothing which justifies the sustained system of land theft practised by Israel. Continued land theft - just compare the amount of Palestinian territory left in 2015 to what it was like , say , 25 years ago. Have a look at it and then tell us why it's ok.

As long as the Israeli govt continues (Bibi calls it 'natural expansion') with this process of colonisation , there will be conflict. Only someone extremely dumb could fail to grasp this basic concept. In fact, it is so glaringly obvious that even little kids understand it.

The holocaust of 1939 - 45 was appalling and evil. The ghettoization and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians is also appalling and evil.

Let us not forget how Israel was founded - let's not ignore the open terrorism of Stern and Irgun which established Israeli supremacy in Palestine, the mass murder of Arabs at Deir Yassin, the bombings at hotels and the like.

Anyway we all know how this goes. Western indifference to the suffering of the Jews during WW2 has facilitated Israeli racism and apartheid. They are taking their revenge and western governments are letting them take it even now,so terrified are they of being branded anti semitic.

Anyway good luck with the thread - although why the fuck it was posted on AIBU is a mystery to me. Maybe the OP can't manage anything more serious. I'm out.

Indeed the Israeli apologists seem
incapable of accepting and admitting Israeli policy of land theft although in sure if they try really hard they will find justifications for it.

No good being a free thinking democracy when you are also an occupying nation which slaughters and denies basic human rights like th right to stay on your own fucking land

new generations are being brought up to hate, and you can really feel the hate spewing out on this thread. Especially from one poster who seems only able to see one side.

wrong has been done and is being done on both sides.

as long as there is this much hate, it will never stop.

Anything to say about land theft?

You'd probably hate someone too if they came and took half your house, then three quarters, then your whole house and then built a checkpoint in front of your house and told you that you couldn't cross.

I agree with you specialsubject. I also believe the Israelis need to prove they are interested in peace with a cessation of 'settlement' building, as well as withdrawal from occupied territories. That and ONLY that will suggest they are serious about peace.

When Bibi says he is interested in peace he is lying because he simultaneously grants settlement expansion. These are the actions of an aggressor.

The Israeli govt has just recently introduced 'Jewish only' buses in the occupied West bank. Palestinians aren't allowed on them. And some people say Israel is a 'democracy' ? sounds pretty overtly racist to me.

So.....nothing to say about land theft then?

Crystalgall - I don't approve of land theft, of course, but because I've been there and I know the history, I know things are a bit less black and white than they are painted. For example, East Jerusalem used to have Jews until it was ethnically cleansed in 1947/8. But now Jews who go to live in E Jerusalem are considered settlers, while Palestinians who go to live in West Jerusalem are rightly held up as an example of diversity.

I read an article over the weekend about virtue signalling. This is where people try to look empathetic by publicly supporting a cause, while in practice doing absolutely nothing to help the people concerned. The Israel-Arab conflict is a great example of this.

Pepperpot - they are Israeli-only buses, not Jewish. There are plenty of Israeli Arabs, Druze, Christians, etc. And the carnage on buses in the last few days will only increase the attraction of these ....

It needs to be address in public discourse, that you absolutely cannot criticise Isreal without being labelled "Antisemitic". Why do you think Corbyn has these claims constantly thrown at him? Any politician. Anyone with real influence. They are automatically tarnished by antisemitism or terrorism links.
Any politician with real influence runs a mile before confronting Isreal.

Please know, Judaism and Israeli politics are separate issues.

The Palestinians have committed awful crimes too.

But please can debate be opened without mindless accusations.

Personally I don't see that Isreal should continue to expand. They have a lot they have enough and need to be happy with their lot. They do not need to continue with their exapansion.

It's the whole narrative that's messed up. Palestinians do anything violent or aggressive at all, and that's it, it's terrorism. Israel does, well, pretty much what it likes, on a massive scale, and it's justifiable self-defense.
And the whole thing just feels so unfair and unjust to me. How can you have one side, so powerless, who can't act at all without being called terrorists, and the vast power of a wealthy military state and they get to behave with impunity?
It's just so wrong and so unjust.
There has been some extremely distressing footage on my news feed in the last few days. The 13 year old lying in a puddle of blood as a mob taunts him. The bereaved father in Gaza cradling his toddler. And then there's this, a school girl surrounded by armed men and shot.
And that's the serious stuff. That's not even the endless drip-feed of children tear-gassed on their way to school or being detained at checkpoints. People forced off the streets at gunpoint because Israeli tour groups are passing. Settlers harassing Palestinians constantly - throwing urine on a market, destroying olive trees, driving cars at children (and sometimes successfully killing them), burning Palestinian families alive...
And yes I am well aware that there have been recent attacks against Israelis by Palestinians. I know this. But christ they must be driven to absolute mad breaking point.

there is no solution to the israel / palestine issue.
none.
besides the deep seated hatred between some arabs and jews, the political will to find a solution is non-existent.

this conflict will still be raging 500 years from now, provided of course we haven't blown ourselves to smithereens by then.