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To feel it is high time that Israel/Palestinian issue got resolved?

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SippyDippy · 12/10/2015 21:56

conflict us starting up again. I cannot bear another round of children being killed indiscriminately. The super powers would have you believe that it is all oh so very complicated. its not though is it. It is so bloody unfair how those children will keep dying if the status quo is maintained. Something needs to change.

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crystalgall · 15/10/2015 09:54

I agree with a PP that stone throwing is a legitimate form of resistance (based on the conversation above on what constitutes legitimate resistance when you are an occupied land) when you feel you are an occupied terrorised people.

A soldier being authorised to kill kids who do so or are even believed to be doing so (which is the case now I believe? And even if it weren't the case above proves they wouldn't be reprimanded anyway) is morally reprehensible. In my opinion.

Bambambini · 15/10/2015 10:02

Home - why did you choose to compare beheading a baby with shooting a stone throwing soldier?

What about the hundreds of Palestinian babies and children blown up, decapitated, dismembered by Israelis bombs and missiles? Is that still nice and more accountable than some deranged man attacking a child or baby with a knife etc? One really turns your stomache and makes you feel queasy but the other example is ok because the perpetrator was far away and didn't have to get blood in their hands?

Sometimes I wonder what is more moral? A soldier sitting safe in a bunker 100s of miles away operating a drone which could wipe out and injure countless (possibly innocent) people/ a pilot dropping his load from a safe height and getting back to base for a roast dinner - or, some suicide bomber or knife attacker who kills or maims but is prepared to get their hands dirty up close and personal and even end their life in the process.

I honestly struggle sometimes with which is the better way of killing.

Bambambini · 15/10/2015 10:03

"Stone throwing teenager"

hampsterdam · 15/10/2015 10:06

I want the right of return for Palestinians, but as we see time an again this world is far from ideal, I just think it is something they are going to have to give up on to achieve peace. Although if they get a state of their own i guess it would be up to them who they let in the Borders anyway?
"There never was a palestine or Palestinian people" even if that is true of hundreds of years ago, these people are identifying themselves as Palestinian now, and a very strong sense of identity they seem to have too.

EllyHigginbottom · 15/10/2015 10:08

I think Bambini raises an excellent point. One of the major issues with drones (for example) is the insulation they provide soldiers from their death tolls. We rely upon the horror of war to bring wars to an end.

crystalgall · 15/10/2015 11:25

This came up on my FB feed today.

WARNING: It is very very graphic showing the slow death of a 13 yr old boy while being watches by police and Israeli settlers who shout abuse at him.
I didn't know what it was exactly when I opened and could only watch a few seconds tbh.

But social media is an important force these days in showing the reality of the situation and goes a long way in understanding the behaviour of the Palestinian people.

usuncut.com/world/israeli-police-shoot-13-year-old-ahmad-elmahania/

Lucylloyd13 · 15/10/2015 12:13

Israel is a war state. It wins billions a year in aid from the EU and US from being at conflict with the Arabs. It does not want peace.

The best thing e could do is to stop aid to Israel and the surrounding countries and make them sort things out for themselves.

Egosumquisum · 15/10/2015 13:24

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winnybella · 15/10/2015 13:37

crystalgall I think you'll find that the boy featured in the video is very much alive and cared for in an Israeli hospital. He and his 15 yo friend went on a stabbing spree, seriously wounding a 13 yo Jewish boy. The 15 yo then launched himself at police officers who shot him dead ( and if you watch the video, you'll see they had no choice). The 13 yo was apparently run over, not shot.
Article in Jerusalem Post and two videos m.jpost.com/#article=6017NDcwQjY5Mzg4OEM5MjlFNjlCNjk3NzY3MEM3REU2MjU=
Sorry, not sure how to do links on phone but it's a second article from top on JP website.

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SippyDippy · 15/10/2015 13:38

Israel will not be returning the bodies of dead palestinians who are fighting for freedom to their families!!! I cannot believe how low they can go. Truly barbaric criminal occupying apartheid state in action.

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SippyDippy · 15/10/2015 13:43

Winnybella, yes life is a bed of roses under Israeli occupation. Palestinians will keep rising against the oppression...Every last child. They will not roll over and die just because that is what you wish on them. They will fight for their freedom because you have tortured them for decades.

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SippyDippy · 15/10/2015 13:50

It wasn't a spree. It is trauma that they have endured since birth. His has always been their reality. You shower them with bullets. You kill their parents their brothers and their sisters. It is a direct result of your country's barbaric treatment of a helpless nation, that these small children are lashing out, only to be hit by more bullets. They only have their bodies with which the protest against your barbarity. Their dead bodies are a testament to the suffering these children have endured under your horrific occupancy. You keep justifying why you kill hem all. The world is disgusted with you.

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Egosumquisum · 15/10/2015 13:54

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winnybella · 15/10/2015 13:55

Why do you assume I'm Jewish?

The video and article crystalgall linked to paint somewhat inaccurate picture of what happened so I thought it might be good to highlight that.

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crystalgall · 15/10/2015 14:31

I can't read link properly as it keeps going to as sites. The names of the boys are not the same from what I could read. Perhaps it is the case of another child shot/run over whatever by Israeli police.
Stabbing one boy is not a spree by the way.
Also doesn't take away from what the people in the video were doing as they stood over him but hey ho only
Another Palestinian.

I think you'll find that news reports from both sides will differ wildly. There are people fighting to get the truth out while Israeli propaganda is churned out. Funny I didn't see anyone trying to help that child. Not sure how he managed to make it to a hospital (if indeed it is te same boy).

Either way there are hundreds of instances of children being killed by soldiers and settlers.

Ghandi's proposal of nonviolence began in the 1930's. India had been occupied since 1858. There was plenty violent resistance inbetween and in spite of Ghandi's stance.

The Palestinians can't use passive resistance because they are
Of no use to Israel. It is best if they are annihilated. In India the British needed the Indians. To fight in their armies to work in their fields to serve them to hold up the infrastructure of the entire country. So there was something the Indians could use.

crystalgall · 15/10/2015 14:34

Ghandi's campaign was less about passivity and more about non cooperation with the British.

The Palestinians don't have that option as they literally have nothing to bargain with or services they provide that they can withold

crystalgall · 15/10/2015 14:35

Sorry the 1920's not 30's

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crystalgall · 15/10/2015 14:45

Not enough to make any noticeable difference to the running of Israel.

The noncooperation campaign was also about boycotting British services and refusal to pay taxes. (That was the huge one) The Palestinians can't do that either. Do they pay taxes?? And would it make a difference if they didn't?

winnybella · 15/10/2015 14:46

It is the same child. You don't need the link, just go to the JP site, it's there near the top.
I suppose you're right in that they only managed to stab two people and attempted to attack police officers, so perhaps spree is a wrong word to use ( how many victims would justify it: four? Ten?)but it seems there's little doubt that's exactly what they were attempting to do before they were stopped.
I agree that someone should have performed first aid before the ambulance got there, but it seems that the people around him are the ones who chased him after witnessing him stabbing the 13 yo boy so I guess they weren't feeling well disposed towards him.
And yes, of course it's all horrific, I just felt the website you linked to was very, very anti-Israel and did not provide accurate picture of that particular event.

crystalgall · 15/10/2015 14:48

Im between all this there were still instances of violence.

The difference tbh was by this point (1930's) even the Brits had realised their rule was coming to an end and were actively involved in negotiating with the different indian parties groups and politicians

crystalgall · 15/10/2015 14:56

It would seem most news links on google actually support the story above and so I am not so quick to believe the Israeli version of events I'm afraid. I may be wrong.

Either way this is the road of resistance some Palestinians have decided to take.

Bambambini · 15/10/2015 16:20

I said earlier that the facts are bad enough without being misrepresented and twisted. How can people have any kind of useful dialogue when people post quite a strong statement (as in the video link claim above) about Israeli violence towards kids which is then shown to be possibly a total lie about the situation (as in the victim was the attacker of another child and is not dead) and the response is in the vein of " well it doesn't matter that a totally biased lie was pissibly posted - because the israelis are bad anyway".