To think that a double standard applies to cock size?

[Babycham1979]

Sorry in advance, this is a thread about a thread. On the sex forum, there was a discussion about whether you can assess a guy's cock size based on any other part of his body (of course you can't).

However, it strikes me that the way women discuss men's dicks would be considered utterly unacceptable if the sexes were reversed. Surely, a big cock is no different to a tight vagina (and a small one, a very loose vagina), but if men regularly and publicly made jokes about, or compared women's tightness/looseness, they'd be strung up from the nearest lamppost.

AIBU?

[Senpai]

I'd wager that most women, particularly close friends and sisters, discuss their DH's/BF's cock size amongst each other.

No. We don't.

We make crude jokes about cocks, sizes, and whether a man may or may not have a nice one. We'll even giggle and point at an over modded or loud car driving by and make a snarky remark about botched circumcisions. But it's pretty taboo to discuss the actual size or girth of your partner's penis or how he actually is in bed. As an adult the only time sex talk actually comes up is if you're TTC and want advice, but the man really doesn't come into the talk.

Also... Just in case you were wondering... We don't have pillow fights in our underwear when we sleep over either. Sorry.

[madwomanbackintheattic]

On a technicality, although I am familiar with the term 'jaffa' being used to indicate seedlessness, in these here parts in means 'just another fucking adminer'.
As you were.
I can also not fathom the idea that I am ever likely to encounter a slanging match in the pub where the terms 'slack fanny' and 'withered balls' might make an appearance. Perhaps I am hanging out in the wrong type of bar? Or the raight type of bar?

[Senpai]

Perhaps I am hanging out in the wrong type of bar? Or the raight type of bar?

Or perhaps size jokes are only a "thing" because men themselves take pride in their size, so jokes about it aren't body shaming men so much as knocking their ego down a peg. It's a subtle difference but an important one.

So a testicle or vagina joke wouldn't be acceptable in the same way, and probably wouldn't be told in even by drunken rowdy friends in a bar.

[LumelaMme]

Do you recall that Page 3 that The Sun used to do? And still does online?
Sure you do.
Do you recall The Sun running the Page 5 Daily Cock, Well-Endowed Willy (!!) from Walthamstow, or Erect Eric, 18?
No, I don't either. Because women's bodies are fair game in a way that men's just aren't. And it pisses me off. Perhaps I'm feeling a tad sensitive because DD was cat-called by some unpleasant youths the other evening, and it clearly bothered her, and having to explain to her that they were being insulting arseholes bothered me. She's 13, FFS: it starts already.

I've been racking my brains, and I can remember exactly one occasion when I discussed a bloke's dick with a friend, and that was nothing to do with its size. On the other hand, I've known men discuss the body of a woman who is in their earshot. I've been goosed and groped: the last man who tried it I threatened to knee in the nuts. He was rather startled.

Men talk way more offensively about women's bodies than women do about men's. That's no reason for women to start behaving like dickheads, but pur-leze don't expect me to accept that poor little men discussing a woman's attributes 'would be strung up from the nearest lamppost'.

[madwomanbackintheattic]

I was talking about the mythical bar argument that minecraft was using as a discussion point, senpai, not the history of humour. It's a subtle difference, but an important one. 'Raight' was a joke though... in case of any doubt.

[MinecraftWonder]

Slugs, I think I just as soon talk to the wall tbh.

The replies to me are deliberately disingenuous IMO - there's not much you can say in respond if you insist on banging your drum and misunderstanding.

[elQuintoConyo]

I love cock. But I have never discussed cocks with anyone, ever. I'm not crass.

Why the actual fuck would I tell my friends anything about my dh's cock? I obviously like what it does, I put a ring on it

[IrishDad79]

Need I also mention the seemingly endless procession of insufferable hen parties every weekend with their sordid (and seemingly compulsory) array of plastic and inflatable cocks in tow (one in front of my 4yo son in the middle of the afternoon - nice). I'm sure there are stag groups whose behaviour falls well short of acceptable social norms, but I've never, ever seen a stag party going around with plastic or inflatable vaginas. Indeed, most stag groups in Britain and Ireland have to disguise the fact that they are a stag group just to be let in anywhere. Utter double standards.

[Senpai]

I was talking about the mythical bar argument that minecraft was using as a discussion point, senpai, not the history of humour. It's a subtle difference, but an important one. 'Raight' was a joke though... in case of any doubt.

Yes, I understood the snark, and even that the "Raight" was a play on words based on the "Naice ham". I was agreeing with you, and pointing out that you never will hear those because of reasons listened. If you're going to lecture me about "not understanding" your post the least you could do is take the time to understand mine.

[thehypocritesoaf]

Utter double standards?

Because a minority of women on a hen night have inflatable cocks, you believe that the majority of women are obsessed with the size of cocks?
Whereas men, such gentlemen, would never pay hundreds to gawp at tits and fanny, or travel to East Europe to see it cheaper.

You've got a really warped view of women- and men.

[thehypocritesoaf]

It is astounding that you are trying to pretend that women objectify the bodies of men as much as men objectify the bodies of women.

[BitOutOfPractice]

I read the title and wondered what size "double standard" was. Like twice average?

[badtime]

but I've never, ever seen a stag party going around with plastic or inflatable vaginas.

False tits though? You've seen that, right? I have.

(btw, I have also never discussed cock size with my friends).

BTW, Minecraft, are you familiar with the psychological concept of 'projection'? It doesn't mean what it seems to mean on MN, but it is what you are doing.

The replies to me are deliberately disingenuous IMO - there's not much you can say in respond if you insist on banging your drum and misunderstanding.

You are the one who is being disingenuous and appearing to deliberately misunderstand. You are focusing on a very specific comparison, complete with made-up data, to show that women are worse than men. Fictitious women gossiping with their equally fictitious friends, a hypothetical argument in a pub, hen parties (but not stag parties) and a few posters on a four year old thread are worse than the objectification of women's bodies that pervades our culture. It is also worse than the harassment, abuse and sexual assaults which many women face just for existing while female.

No-one is saying that objectifying men is okay; anyway, this sort of objectification is harmful to the people doing it as well as those on the receiving end. However, the idea that poor men have this much worse because of a few small-dick jokes, in the face of an entire culture where women are punished for attempting to take an active role is society, while being reduced to an aggregation of body parts is, as they say 'misconceived'.

You are wrong, and you are so wrong that it seems impossible that you don't have at least an inkling of how absurd your views are.

[IfNotNowThenWhenever]

Thing is, I have discussed penis size with my friends, in a casual sort of way. Obviously we discuss other things ( like cars and money), but it has come up. For instance I know my best friends ex FwB was huge, because she mentioned it.
My friends and I have also discussed orgasms and stds. I guess we talk quite openly about a lot of things.
I don't think I have ever had a conversation where one of them has made a joke about a man they have slept with having a small penis. Personally, I wouldn't comment about a boyfriends attributes in a negative way, because I think we should all be kind to one another.
However In the grand scheme of things, while its not nice to slag off anyone because of a body part they can't help, it's a tiny drop in the ocean of mysoginistic abuse and body shaming that is directed at girls and women all the time.
Come to think of it, I can think of occasions when young men I know have made comments about the vaginas of women they have slept with. My friends was hit on by the very nice husband of one of her oldest friends at a party, where he drunkenly told her that sex with his wife was like waving a flag in space. I think she wishes she didn't know that.

[stopfuckingshoutingatme]

sits here frantically doing her pelvic floor