to think that there will be a revolution?

[Sillybillybonker]

Does anyone else think that people are going Corbyn crazy? Personally, I reckon that people in this country have become so accepting and demotivated by the lack of real choice in politics that they have lay politically dormant for years. Corbyn is speaking up for the poor, the sick and disabled, the mentally ill and the "hard working" people of society. Really, he is encompassing such a big sector of society whilst marginalising the super-rich. Surely, the majority are now going to step up and overthrow the Bullingdon Club PM?

I think it might depend less on corbyn and more on whether the inflow of chinese capital into the property market dries up, on the NHS, house prices, private rent levels and on whether the Tories end up signing their own death warrant as the party that took us out of the EU.

We need something that shows up Osborne for the charlatan that he is.

But it is very good that at last corbyn is beginning to change the terms of the debate.

I've been really impressed by Corbyn. I think what he says makes a lot of sense and I wouldn't be surprised if in a few months time the Tories wheel out their version of Peoples Quantitative Easing (with catchy new name). Pretty disgusting how the media can dictate so much of politics. Why does one rich Australian man have so much power over the lives of ordinary Brits (Murdoch)?

Welp

You guys have just convinced this floating voter to join the Labour Party tomorrow...

No. And if noting else keeps Corbyn out, ISIS WILL.

I dont trust coryb with isis at all. Or labour actually.

Why don't you trust him with ISIS? Is there nothing in the world to which the man does not pose an existential threat?

I mean, I knew he was a scary bastard (the papers have been telling me that for weeks) but honestly ... This does come as a surprise.

most of the common people are a bit thick

Yeah yeah, common are thick red top readers who are un educated and Labour really cant see why its failed

Would you want these people making decisions for the whole country, they can't even decide whose house to go to for Christmas FFS.....

Had a really good laugh at this - cant deny this is true...

I also happen to think Corbyn isn't either - inflexible outlook & principles would indicate that he wouldn't be able to adapt quickly to any situation

Totally agree with you there, something troubled me about the Revelation he split with his first wife over their son going to grammar school instead of failing school near by ..and its ^ what you said, so inflexible a slave to the ideals but not real working ones.

• Scremersford Wed 30-Sep-15 12:59:45

excellent post.

Dawn you do know your link shows dreadful CP rating after long Labour tenure in Dowing street! The so called caring party!

Labour did zilch for them!

On what planet is unlimited benefits ok? Why would anyone go to work? The guy has crazy ideas.

The point is, the CP rate went down, which is not what had been posted.

Oh, and because the parameters have (yet again) shifted, we can't tell what's going on now. Sly and sneaky.

What do you mean unlimited benefits? Do you mean no cap on benefits? A cap is only a recent thing. Do we have one yet?

Yes no cap on benefits - the cap is that no-one on benefits should be given more than average working family takes home I believe its around £26k per year. Where is the incentive to work? If removing the cap is because people cannot afford rent prices than deal with the actual issue directly (rent prices) because lifting the cap isn't going to resolve the core issue.

What concerns me about Corbyn is that as a reasonable earner (just over £50k) I will get hit with much higher taxes to pay for the increased benefits bill, or to throw more good money to prop up the ailing NHS. I work hard, as a result I've never needed to claim benefits. I don't begrudge those who are too unwell to work, benefits should support/ protect the needy. But I already pay a lot of tax...i know under Labour it will just be more, and what will the increased taxes achieve...even more money wasted in the hopelessly bureaucratic NHS, and a higher benefits bill with no guarantee that money is going to the right people, or that those who can and should be returning to work have any incentive to do so.

And that's why no one earning a mid level income is likely to vote Labour, because who wants to be worse off? As such, I think any revolution is pretty unlikely.

Agree with you VelventSpoon and also where is the incentive to go out and achieve more and move into high paying jobs, working longer hours and taking on more responsibilities when after tax it amounts to very little. May as well sit comfortably below it.

Same here VelvetSpoon. In my case, if faced with higher taxes, since I'm freelance now, I would probably simply do less work so that I would fall under the higher rate tax limit. My work is pretty horrible and stressful to do at times, and I don't see why I should spend all week and weekends working just to pay even more tax than the thousands that already leaves my paycheck, only to end up with a few pounds extra as a result. And I know it will only be wasted on more administrative wastage and local government corruption and do no good anyway. Especially under left wing government likely to give their friends pointless jobs on high salaries.

If OTOH any left wing government can actually prove capable of tackling administrative corruption and wastage, providing taxpayers with value for money and doing things like proper left wing governments do in other parts of Europe, then I will vote for them. But they will have to stop their supporters referring to me as "dim" and demonising me too.

"I would never press the nuke button if elected to PM".

That sentence says everything about the bloke. A completely unelectable whack-job!

I work hard, as a result I've never needed to claim benefits.

But working hard does not result in never needing to claim benefits.

DH worked extremely hard and like you was also a reasonable earner, but he had to leave his job to care for me. Once savings ran out we had no other choice but to turn to benefits.

The majority of people claiming benefits are in work. Wages just aren't enough.

The whole 'Work hard and get on' spiel is designed to make people like you hate people like us.

I work "very hard" and just had my contract end. Am now jumping through hoops to claim jobseekers allowance, including being interviewed by someone who couldn't have been more patronising, had to resort to an OED to spell an achingly easy word and found it necessary to tell me the exact same thing four times in the space of 15 minutes.

So far I've not needed benefits, neither has my bf (both in our 40s, I've got a degree, he doesn't but we've both always had work and been well enough to work).

I don't object to benefits per se...if you read the rest of my post, I clearly said benefits should be there to support/ protect the needy. I hope I'll never be in need, but I can't guarantee that obviously, all I can do is work as hard as I can while I have a job and am able to. And not want to pay yet more taxes on those earnings.

It's your wording in that post Velvet (I had read it btw).

I work hard, as a result I've never needed to claim benefits.
We earned over 90 grand a year between us. We were both lecturers, so funnily enough, lots of degrees. (Can't actually see the relevance of your comment there). You never know when illness strikes and you never know if insurances will pay out, Velvet. Yes, you said that benefits should go to those in need, but that is the case now. However, the government's insidious little narrative has dictated your belief that there are a significant number of folk scrounging, it has dictated that those in need may not actually be so and may be faking or playing on a minor disability, it has increased disability hate crime. As mistressm said; the majority of people claiming benefits are in work.

And that's why no one earning a mid level income is likely to vote Labour, because who wants to be worse off?

I think that's the main problem here. Too many people would be so much worse off under a Corbyn-led government. OK, the 'poor' may get better benefits/rent protection in the short term but that extra 'money' isn't going to buy much if inflation goes through the roof and the value of the pound plummets.

Labour have fallen into a trap recently of dividing the country into the 'super rich' and 'everyone else'. The implication is that everyone is struggling apart from the super rich who own everything. It's just not the case. What about the painter and decorator who has decided to invest in a few BTL properties with his brother rather than paying into a private pension? What about the teachers in successful academies/free schools/faith schools? What about all those people in marginal seats like Erewash where unemployment is really low but you can still buy a house for 150k. Will they really vote Corbyn in? Highly unlikely.

Good points readthesmallprint