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to think that there will be a revolution?

165 replies

Sillybillybonker · 29/09/2015 18:46

Does anyone else think that people are going Corbyn crazy? Personally, I reckon that people in this country have become so accepting and demotivated by the lack of real choice in politics that they have lay politically dormant for years. Corbyn is speaking up for the poor, the sick and disabled, the mentally ill and the "hard working" people of society. Really, he is encompassing such a big sector of society whilst marginalising the super-rich. Surely, the majority are now going to step up and overthrow the Bullingdon Club PM?

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MistressMerryWeather · 30/09/2015 08:59

And just who do you think the common people are IKnowIAm and WhoKnewIt?

Why are they so thick?

fearandloathinginambridge · 30/09/2015 09:01

Most of 'the common people' are a bit thick. I'm not sure I really want them running the country and making decisions that could be life or death.

For 10 years my work has brought me into regular contact with the Ministers and civil servants running a particular government department. Unfortunately, it has become clear to me that the people already running the country are 'a bit thick'.

Lemonfizzypop · 30/09/2015 09:02

most of the common people are a bit thick

Nice.

Lemonfizzypop · 30/09/2015 09:06

Well labour have lost two elections being centre right, it hasn't worked, people are bored of it. If this more left-wing tack doesn't work then what have we lost? I don't think any of the other candidates could've won an election either tbh.

I agree that the current voting systems isn't going to work in their favour though.

Like I said earlier, it's important to feel like you have people in the House of Commons representing you and I think there are currently swathes of people that have not felt that previously.

Lemonfizzypop · 30/09/2015 09:07

Personally I think people that soak up the right wing press are the thickos but there you go.

IKnowIAmButWhatAreYou · 30/09/2015 09:27

And just who do you think the common people are IKnowIAm and WhoKnewIt?

It's all of us (myself included) - and I can categorically tell you that we're not the sort of people you'd want running a country.

Read the "problems" on AIBU and the replies to them.

Would you want these people making decisions for the whole country, they can't even decide whose house to go to for Christmas FFS.....

Loving all the faux offence though, get over yourselves!! Grin

MistressMerryWeather · 30/09/2015 09:29

It just shows the small minded, up your own arse attitudes that right wing defenders like to tell us all doesn't exist.

Going to Eton and having degrees coming out of the wazoo does not equal intelligence. But I can see why it's comforting for some people to think that.

It makes it easy to sneer at people who could probably think you under a table.

Binkybix · 30/09/2015 09:31

For 10 years my work has brought me into regular contact with the Ministers and civil servants running a particular government department. Unfortunately, it has become clear to me that the people already running the country are 'a bit thick

I used to work in government and can say that a number of consultants, lobbyists etc that we worked with also came across as a bit thick. I think it can be more to do with different objectives, outlooks and priorities. And working in a system with a lot of restrictions and competing needs. Although some people are just thick, obviously.

Shutthatdoor · 30/09/2015 09:34

It just shows the small minded, up your own arse attitudes that right wing defenders like to tell us all doesn't exist

TBH there is a fair amount of 'up your own arses' attitude as you put it, on the left too.

Dawndonnaagain · 30/09/2015 09:47

A few aging hippies that have probably been boasting about never voting in the past have decided to join the Labour Party - it's hardly the end of days is it.....
Strange assumption.

Sillybillybonker · 30/09/2015 09:47

Talking about thick people - why would an ordinary, i.e., not particularly rich person vote for this?

Meanwhile apparently one in 4 major companies pay no tax in the UK - Google, Amazon, Starbucks, Vodafone, Experian, Rolls Royce...
Why doesn't the government spend it's energies looking at ways to extract these monies from these companies rather than go about cutting mental health services, women's refuges, Sure Start, libraries, legal aid?

The answer is because the Tory's are kidding people that it is feckless people who breed like rabbits that are taking their "hard earned" cash away from them in taxation. Whilst people fall for this rhetoric, the rich are paying less tax and the vast majority of citizens are loosing public services. You don't need public services so much if you are really rich of course.

Fools.

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IKnowIAmButWhatAreYou · 30/09/2015 09:50

It just shows the small minded, up your own arse attitudes that right wing defenders like to tell us all doesn't exist.

Nothing right wing at all, just saying that the average person (the most common type of person) is not capable of running the country.

I also happen to think Corbyn isn't either - inflexible outlook & principles would indicate that he wouldn't be able to adapt quickly to any situation.

The fact that half of his party don't subscribe to his views wouldn't fill me with confidence either.

The fact that the "MN Left" are behind him, even less so!!

OfaFrenchmind2 · 30/09/2015 09:53

A man that promise bread and games is not kind. He is a populist.

Scremersford · 30/09/2015 09:59

I hope there isn't a revolution! I don't see how that would be a good thing for most people, since revolutions cause turmoil.

I suspect its because left wingers tend to be more on social media and more prone to making outlandish statements that attract publicity and don't see anything wrong with forcing their views upon people, because they think they're always right. I also think they tend more towards being employed in the media and the arts, so that gives their views more publicity that the figures actually supporting them would indicate.

I would estimate that Corbyn is more likely to return the Conservatives to power because his influence will split the remaining non-Conservative vote more thinly. A bit like Scotland has been basically a one party state for as long as anyone can remember, first of all Labour and now SNP.

I think Corbyn provides a useful outlet for those stronger left wing views that definitely have a place in our society. But I am beginning to think the left wing in this country is just a bit too radical, controlling, dismissive - generally ineffective. They don't seem to get things one. In the UK, when you get strong left wingers in control e.g. in local government, they make a mess of it by focussing on things like putting spy cameras in people's bins and guilt-tripping hard working people for not paying even higher rates of tax so they can waste more money. On the continent, they focus on providing good services to the majority, such as good public infrastructure, street cleaning, refuse collection, cycle paths, etc..

Maybe the left wing should stop blaming the Eton elite, look inwards, and start criticising themselves, rather than basing their political rhetoric on repeatedly telling everyone how wonderful they are.

Nataleejah · 30/09/2015 10:01

He's a populist. Those types can never be trusted. And he stinks of communism. Myself coming from Eastern Europe, i hate communists with passion.

Lemonfizzypop · 30/09/2015 10:14

Goodness some of you sound very bitter about lefties Grin.

Nothing that came up in the labour conference yesterday was particularly radical anyway, unless wanting a fairer society is radical?

if the left wing shout louder (not sure how you do that on social media but there you go) it's because they have to, the right wing government is supported by nearly every mainstream media outlet going!

Scremersford · 30/09/2015 10:24

Goodness some of you sound very bitter about lefties

unless wanting a fairer society is radical?

if the left wing shout louder (not sure how you do that on social media but there you go)

HTH.

Samcro · 30/09/2015 10:26

i just hope he stops scameron shutting down debate on disability.

Lemonfizzypop · 30/09/2015 10:31

Eh scremer? Was that me shouting loudly?

I'm guessing that we disagree on the definition of "fair" which is why you've highlighted that bit?

SeaMagic · 30/09/2015 10:36

Scremer ? Confused

OfaFrenchmind2 · 30/09/2015 10:44

Not bitter, but frankly, the spiel about being the only hope of a fair society and of "kind" politics and government is getting old, patronising, and takes everybody for naïve college students that discover politics for the first time.

OfaFrenchmind2 · 30/09/2015 10:44

Not bitter, but frankly, the spiel about being the only hope of a fair society and of "kind" politics and government is getting old, patronising, and takes everybody for naïve college students that discover politics for the first time.

Scremersford · 30/09/2015 10:45

Oh FGS don't take words so literally! Its the dropped messages into sentences, the constant insistence on taking the moral higher ground, the constant insistence on being right (which presumably means the majority of the electorate are wrong and either immoral or don't know their own minds), the references to "fairness", anyone who criticises is "bitter", and so on.

Its tedious and insidious and tends to assume that other people are stupid in that they won't notice.

To be fair, maybe it has become such a habit that you don't notice any more.

It can only be a matter of moments before a real life example of a victim of the bedroom tax is trotted out to be used to make the point of fairness. Or a disabled child.

MistressMerryWeather · 30/09/2015 10:56

Does it bother you to hear about the suffering of children with disabilities due to Tory cuts?

Scremersford · 30/09/2015 11:01

Mistress Does it bother you to hear about the suffering of children with disabilities due to Tory cuts?

I'll tell you what does bother me - people who use suffering of children to make ideological points. People who have the luxury of sitting on the internet all day (I am on ML) to do that very thing.

The moral values of people who are prepared to guilt-trip taxpayers in one of the richest, most privileged countries in the world.

I always think that those same people, if they were in East Germany under communism, or Russia, or one of the Eastern European states, would be gainfully employed by the state gathering evidence of subversion which might threaten the regime which they have decided is morally superior. Which therefore justifies any behaviour to enforce it.

What also bothers me is people who don't have the insight to see that.

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