to think that there will be a revolution?

[Sillybillybonker]

Does anyone else think that people are going Corbyn crazy? Personally, I reckon that people in this country have become so accepting and demotivated by the lack of real choice in politics that they have lay politically dormant for years. Corbyn is speaking up for the poor, the sick and disabled, the mentally ill and the "hard working" people of society. Really, he is encompassing such a big sector of society whilst marginalising the super-rich. Surely, the majority are now going to step up and overthrow the Bullingdon Club PM?

I don't think you can rely on Lib Dems having been supportive of the coalition. Certainly, Lib Dem is way left of the right. They committed suicide.

I think it will make politics more interesting but there wont be a revolution. I think Jezza may be a bit of a flash in the pan, but we shall see.
I think he is attractive in that he is not your usual PR type politician and actually seems to have opinions of his own, but I doubt a sizeable enough majority will actually vote for him.

'Speaking against injustice' eh? In Saudi possibly, his particular bugbear at the moment, not least because he can level charges of collaboration against our current government. Not that it doesn't deserve its injustices being spoken out against.

But what about his pet revolutionary country, Venezuela? The one he's lauded over the last few years, the one where buying loo roll is an uphill struggle, which no longer has an independent judicial system, where an opposition leader was jailed recently - for 13 years - after a closed trial and described by the government with (wait for it)...inciting violence subliminally?

I'd love to know whether Corbyn's spoken out against that, or what his take is on the current situation there. Genuinely. Anyone?

Don't be stupid, he's given the Tories the next two elections on a plate, not that I'm complaining but what a plonker!

When the shadow business secretary is so flustered and backed into a corner that she uses the word 'bullshit' live on the BBC at lunchtime, it sort of puts into perspective what a mess they are in.

Watching the news, apparently he used recycled bits of a speech Ed Miliband rejected.

Labour will lose the election in 2020, JC will resign and be replaced by a centre position candidate. Can't deny that politics is more interesting currently though!

Dragongirl10 The current government was not voted in by a clear majority. By far the greatest number of people who voted, didn't vote Tory.

Apparently most of the Labour party didn't vote him in according to the Radio 4 Politics show I listened to yesterday. The Labour Party representatives they had talking on there sounded very unconvinced about him. Didn't install confidence I have to say.

Which Labour fuck up was that then, Lightningirl? If you really do mean the last Labour government, I think you'll find that's the one that even Melvyn King cleared of wrong doing, or fuck ups.

As for Corbyn, I'm retired, I'm now a carer, he speaks for me and for the people for whom I care, I do not think that makes me a selfish voter. I do think it's time that the poor and the disabled stopped being penalised for being poor and disabled.

It's amazing how many right wing soothsayers can predict what is going to happen in 4 and a half years, it's so arrogant! Politics is very unpredictable and that's a long time of yet more cuts that hurt the most vulnerable.

I don't know if he can win a general election BUT I am glad that he giving a voice to those who don't want a politics party thy simply serves to make rich people richer.

It's not that unpredictable though is it Lemon? Looking at the polls and also how the country has voted in the past it's very, very clear that this country does not have a tendency to vote left wing. It's not like these things are being picked out of the air, there are very good reasons to think otherwise.

Incidentally, wasonthelist, over 50% of the country voted for either UKIP or the Tories and including other parties like the Lib Dems, where some but not all will have been voting in support of a Lib/Con coalition that nudges up towards 60%.

The idea that a right wing government has been forced on an unwilling left wing country is clearly false when at least 60% of the votes were to the right of Labour.

Dawn Labour are only blameless for our economic problems if you buy into the theory that a government has absolutely no control over what happens in the country it is governing and is a helpless and passive bystander. Personally I think that argument discredits Labour rather than getting it off the hook.

Well there's also a huge chunk of people that just don't vote, if people can finally find a politician to engage with, who isn't just spin and soundbites, perhaps they will.

Look at how well the SNP have done, and yes I know Scotland have been traditionally more left wing than England but I think there's something to be said for inspiring people.

So who knows? It's exciting anyway.

I like him. He looks like my uncle and if that isn't good enough reason to vote for him, I don't know what is.

Seriously though, he's better and more realistic than toff Milliband.

It's amazing how many right wing soothsayers can predict what is going to happen in 4 and a half years, it's so arrogant! Politics is very unpredictable and that's a long time of yet more cuts that hurt the most vulnerable.

Doesn't arrogance also extent then to think the 'country' is turning to some sort of JC European etc, as polls really aren't showing this.

*eutopia not European!

Yes probably, I guess people want to predict what they feel comfortable or hopeful for.

Personally I don't know what will happen but I think that right now it's going to be very important to have an opposition that people can feel represents them when the to tories continue to create policies that hurt those at the bottom the most.

I agree OP.

I haven't found politics so exciting and engaging for years.

I also feels that JC stands for the 'common people', people like me who are concerned at cuts to public services and the cost of housing/daily living.

Dead behind the eyes Cameron just doesn't cut it.

The Tories are all sharp suits and spin. The government does have money, they have given 1 billion to fund refugee camps. I do not begrudge a penny of this for supporting those escaping warfare and poverty but I think it shows how there is money in the coffers and can be utilised when necessary [or considered a priority].

Meanwhile apparently one in 4 major companies pay no tax in the UK - Google, Amazon, Starbucks, Vodafone, Experian, Rolls Royce...
Why doesn't the government spend it's energies looking at ways to extract these monies from these companies rather than go about cutting mental health services, women's refuges, Sure Start, libraries, legal aid?

Oh yes, because their rich mates and donors to the Tory party benefit from the government turning a blind eye and meanwhile the public believes hook, line and sinker that the Tory government are the only ones who can manage the economy and bring down the deficit.

Yes, but assuming people didn't vote because they are all latent left wingers just waiting to be activated is a bit silly. I would guess that a huge chunk of those voters are going to be people living in safe seats where there just isn't much point voting. And in Labour safe seats that would likely mean they were either Tories or Labour voters whose vote would be meaningless as it's not needed. And Tory safe seats have probably been made safer by Corbyn rather than put at risk.

It seems like a mass delusion to me. People who shout the loudest on social media and are most successful at shutting their opponents up think that means they have popular support when they don't. Happened before the election and even more so now.

Most of 'the common people' are a bit thick. I'm not sure I really want them running the country and making decisions that could be life or death.

I'm assuming Corbyn has discovered the worlds largest diamond mine under Westminster.

It's the only way he's going to be able to pay for all these dreams.

Unless, of course, he just taxes people to buggery - and that is why he'll never get in.

A few aging hippies that have probably been boasting about never voting in the past have decided to join the Labour Party - it's hardly the end of days is it.....

Most of 'the common people' are a bit thick. I'm not sure I really want them running the country and making decisions that could be life or death.

Agreed.

It seems like a mass delusion to me. People who shout the loudest on social media and are most successful at shutting their opponents up think that means they have popular support when they don't. Happened before the election and even more so now

My point exactly.

Charming IKnowIAm and WhoKnewIt [or Dave and Gideon, tell Boris I said hi won't you]

I consider myself 'common' or average but definitely not thick thanks very much.

I don't think he will be electable, but stranger things have happened. No be really thought he could win the leadership either. Regardless, there is value in having an opposing voice to some of government's current policies I guess.

I think the risk is that this is a bit of an echo chamber, with people who believe in it talking to other people who believe in it, making it seem a lot more popular than it is. I thought he may turn as many people off Labour as he turns onto it. But time will tell.

It's also difficult for me to imagine him winning an election with our current system - I think he's less likely to recruit new supporters in the swing constituencies or convert Tory seats to Labour (rather than just increasing existing Labour majorities). SNP have done very well, but they get a lot of MPs for their population so their success cannot necessarily be translated across to England and Wales.

But it's certainly interesting!