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Well, there we have it: Jeremy Corbyn has just been announced the next Labour Leader

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InTheBox · 12/09/2015 11:46

With 59% of the vote (first round).

I've just been following the live BBC broadcast and just wanted them to get on with it.

No doubt people on both sides of the political spectrum will be overjoyed with the result.

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LunchpackOfNotreDame · 13/09/2015 21:22

Which is the point of an MP to represent it's electorate. Not to serve it's own purpose.

claig · 13/09/2015 21:23

Yes, you're right, but how many do that?

Justanotherlurker · 13/09/2015 21:25

You mean globalisation, the opening of borders to encourage economic migrants and a race to the bottom of wages

You having a laugh, Corbin is very pro open boarders he is the capitalists wet dream on that specific situation.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 13/09/2015 21:26

gfg can I recommend you take your next holiday in Jaywick where I'm sure your views will go down a storm

Yes, its the stuff of Daily Mail dreams isn't it?

mousehole · 13/09/2015 21:26

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LunchpackOfNotreDame · 13/09/2015 21:26

I'm happy to take you on a tour, it's my home town.

YellowJerseyPan · 13/09/2015 21:27

If the polarity of politics is healthily returning (i.e. it's about ideas and how people actually live) it may be of some comfort to be reminded of Nye Bevan's words on the creation of the NHS, in Manchester, in 1948:

""That is why no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party that inflicted those bitter experiences on me. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin. They condemned millions of first-class people to semi-starvation. Now the Tories are pouring out money in propaganda of all sorts and are hoping by this organised sustained mass suggestion to eradicate from our minds all memory of what we went through. But, I warn you young men and women, do not listen to what they are saying now. Do not listen to the seductions of Lord Woolton. He is a very good salesman. If you are selling shoddy stuff you have to be a good salesman. But I warn you they have not changed, or if they have they are slightly worse than they were."

Which resonates quite a lot today. Apart from the reprehensiveness of Tories and all they stand for, the "all memory of what we went through" is accurate and the 'propaganda' that is generated pathetically about JC. Tories generally are indeed vile and lower than vermin.

claig · 13/09/2015 21:28

'I think a fair amount do that now - social media helps enormously and access to your MP is much easier'

Good point, social media makes them more accountable and they have to take more notice of people's opinions

claig · 13/09/2015 21:34

YellowJerseyPan, very good quote. But the problem with Labour has been that their leadership is nothing like Nye Vevan and feels nothing like he did because they have not been through what he idid. They are an elite cadre of Oxbridge barristers and SPADs living in million pound homes and so they just play the part of solidarity with the people. They are an out of touch metropolitan elite who do not feel at home in a Northern Working Men's Club which is why they have let the people down and lost elections.

Corbyn is different, he has always been true to the people and the unions because he really believes in it. His expenses are some of teh lowest in Parliament, he is not in it for himself but for others. That is why he is a breath of fresh air and represents a ray of hope.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 13/09/2015 21:38

I'm happy to take you on a tour, it's my home town.

Its ok I've seen the channel five documentary and read the Daily Mail articles. I'm sure they were well rounded and accurate enough.

LunchpackOfNotreDame · 13/09/2015 21:40

They were accurate as it goes.

Which why I'm pleased to say I got out I'd there.

mousehole · 13/09/2015 21:40

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 13/09/2015 21:47

so you read the Daily Mail

only when I'm researching hyperbole.

Justanotherlurker · 13/09/2015 21:49

Claig, you forgot to mention this article while promoting your latest crush.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11861845/Emily-Thornberry-tipped-for-top-job-in-Jeremy-Corbyn-shadow-cabinet.html

I wonder if her BTL empire helps out the priced out generation or is she using the 'providing a service' rhetoric and not part of the of the 'establishment'

YellowJerseyPan · 13/09/2015 21:54

Burnham, Alexander, Falconer, Benn - all in S Cabinet. Interesting.

MajesticWhine · 13/09/2015 22:01

Andy Burnham makes me laugh. No backbone at all. He was hedging his bets the whole way.

YellowJerseyPan · 13/09/2015 22:04

I disagree.

Iliveinalighthousewiththeghost · 13/09/2015 22:05

I liked Andy Burnham right up until he sided with the Tories on masking cuts to the already poor vulnerable down trodden and needy. Isn't that the point of being in the opposition to erm "Disagree". Like I said it was only Jeremy Corbyn who was not a Tory lite.
I'm very pleased for him on his victory.

claig · 13/09/2015 22:13

Justanotherlurker, nearly all of them are part of the Establishment or Oxbridge, but Corbyn isn't.

BertrandRussell · 13/09/2015 22:22

Quite impressed by Andy Burnham- difficult decision for him.Unless he thinks he's had his chance and it's gone, so one last throw of the dice............

I like Hilary Benn. Integrity impersonated.

claig · 13/09/2015 22:25

I like Burnham, he has swallowed his pride and is prepared to serve. Well done, he has accepted defeat well and won't plot against Corbyn from the outside waiting for a chance to return.

Don't like Benn. Totally wet. For such an important role, he is far too wet.

Has Corbyn announced Shadow Chancellor yet?

claig · 13/09/2015 22:27

I hope Diane Abbott gets a role, she deserves it.

claig · 13/09/2015 22:43

McDonnell is Shadow Chancellor. Fantastic, now we know that this is for real, not Oxbridge, Corbyn is going to go for it.

BertrandRussell · 13/09/2015 22:54

Claig- you do know that Labour stands for things that are diametrically opposed to the things that UKIP stand for, don't you?

claig · 13/09/2015 23:04

Some things are the same. UKIP wants to scrap the bedroom tax, scrap tuition fees for STEM subjects (but Corbyn will go further), take minimum wage earners out of taxation (which Labour are not interested in).

But Corbyn offers more radical change - nationalisation, National Invstment Bank, free childcare, massive housebuilding scheme, People's QE etc which is better than what UKIP can offer.

No party gives you everything you want, you have to choose the policies you think are most important.

Of course we don't really know what Corbyn will do and if he will fold and obey the Establishment and fill his Cabinet posts with the usual faces. But I think he is for real. His brother, Piers, who is brave and independent and thinks climate change is a scam said that "the Corbyns fear nothing, as long as they are fighting for what is right". I think that may be the case. The Corbyns are cut from a different cloth to the shower we are used to. Corbyn is 66, he has fought for his principles all his life, he is not going to kowtow to the elite now, he is going to give it everything he has got which is why he put McDonnell in as Shadow Chancellor. Benn was a mistake (but that probably shows that foreign policy is not Corbyn's priority whereas the economy is).

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