Well, there we have it: Jeremy Corbyn has just been announced the next Labour Leader

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With 59% of the vote (first round).

I've just been following the live BBC broadcast and just wanted them to get on with it.

No doubt people on both sides of the political spectrum will be overjoyed with the result.

Yes, JC opposes racism, homophobia and sexism - all the Kippers favourite things.
He also proposes to tackle climate change, which Kippers deny.

However, since the kipperati don't bother to read manifestos, policy statements, history etc, it may take them years to realise this incompatibility.

As mentioned, JC's "People's QE" might be illegal under the Lisbon Treat Article 123 , in which case he would need to raise taxes.

Kippers don't agree with Corbyn on lots of policies, but depending on how brave Corbyn really is and on what he really offers, I think they will go for his radical policies on the economy and nationalisation and anti TTIP (which most Ukippers are against) and anti fracking (even though UKIP is pro) and hopefully Corbyn will be anti GMO and GM food. He will win a landslide if he goes all out for it and doesn't tax the middle class.

oh Claig how can you be so daft. he doesn't offer radical change he is just a left winger. that's all. he's not some saviour on a charger come in to suddenly make all the horrible pain go away. the corbyns are cut from exactly the same cloth as all the other bloody Islington socialists. honestly go there. they are two a penny. he doesn't belong in the labour party he really doesn't. what does it say about a man who votes against a party over 500 times but still stays in it? hes that bloke who stands in the corner all night moaning about what a crap party it is and the music is rubbish etc yet he eats all the food, drinks all the drink and is the last one to leave. scariest moment so far is the singing of the red flag. he is a 1970's beer and sandwiches at no 10 throwback. anyone under the age of 50 wont remember the winter of discontent and how shit it was to miss school because there was no heating and the power cuts. he surrounds himself with men. union officials, left winger activists the lot. when I dealt with him in London he came across as a sexist misogynist, he talks the talk about equality but I just don't believe him. smarmy git. too many people are being fooled by the X factor nature of his campaign -something different, a sob story etc. something different is not always the way to go.

he doesn't offer radical change claig. not if you are my age he doesn't. go and watch the peter sellars film - cant recall the name but its "everybody out" and brother this and brother that. that is what he offers.

and to all you saying he wont get in? well he will. because too many people don't know what his kind of socialism really means in practice. go read animal farm, brothers and sisters. everyone is equal but some are more equal than others. that's what you will get with Corbyn. Lord help us.

'As mentioned, JC's "People's QE" might be illegal under the Lisbon Treat Article 123 , in which case he would need to raise taxes.'

Unless he tells the EU elite where to get off. If he calls their bluff, they will listen. He will be leading the United Kingdom, we don't have to cave in, we can tell the elite what is what and Corbyn is the type of "rebel" who is prepared to stick it to them. The people's revolution is on.

claig all this crap about the "elite" . the elite means the middle class. the middle class in Britain today is anyone in work. anyone who owns their own home. the middle classes are huge. you are one of them. of course he is going to tax the bollocks off of you. how else can he afford to renationalise anything. the peoples revolution? seriously? the peoples princess - did you buy into that nonsense as well.

let me guess claig, you live in a city you are under 45 and you want to join the tooting popular front. power to the people! it was ridiculous then, its even more ridiculous now.

"he's that bloke who stands in the corner all night moaning about what a crap party it is and the music is rubbish etc yet he eats all the food, drinks all the drink and is the last one to leave"

I don't think it is fair to comapre him to Blair.

'go and watch the peter sellars film - cant recall the name but its "everybody out" and brother this and brother that. that is what he offers.'

I know the one you mean. i think it is called "I'm All Right Jack" or something like that. If he is half as good as Sellers in that one, then he is good enough for me.

mummymeister, I don't think it will be as bad as you say. It's a pendulum and the zero hour contract and house price stuff and privatisation and GM and TTIP etc have gone too far. We need balance back to the people away from the Oxbridge metropolitan elites who are destroying what has been built up over generations. If there had been no Labour Party, we would have nothing. No health service, no Open University, no equality legislation, nothing. If Corbyn is brave, he has the potential to improve society once again in a giant leap just as socialists in the past have done.

"all this crap about the "elite"

WHAT??? That's what it is all about - the people vs the elites. The elite is not the middle class, it is not the Oxbridge MPs, it is above that shower.

"you are one of them. of course he is going to tax the bollocks off of you"

Whoa!!! Ken Livingstone said he won't. If he does, then I'm outta here and straight back to Farage, but I am going to give him a chance.

'how else can he afford to renationalise anything'

Tax Blair, Cameron, Starbucks, charides, luvvies, bankers, coprorates etc, not the people.

' the peoples princess - did you buy into that nonsense as well. '

No, that was Blair. I didn't believe a word the man said.

"let me guess claig, you live in a city you are under 45 and you want to join the tooting popular front."

I live in the suburbs and am a bit older than that. I've never been in the Tooting Popular Front, I am a supporter of Farage's People's Army.

Just to answer something from last night. I think mayfly asked if I agreed that 'the reforms' were necessary.
If you mean the reforms that were implemented by Thatcher, then no they weren't. As I said, Barbara Castle had a set of reforms that were inclusive and progressive. I think they would have been a much better balance and left us with a fairer balance between workers and corporate bosses. I believe that Thatcher did a vindictive dogmatic hatchet job on the unions. And they have created a them v us environment which this govt is set to entrench.
What is so wrong with ordinary people standing up for fair play?

mummymeister the film is "I'm Alright Jack" and if you want a comparison then Scargill is your man. Not Corbyn. Corbyn would be claiming far more on expenses as an MP if he was that person. It doesn't work as a comparison, sorry

Claig's right about "the elite", it's even an establishment phrase these days - "the Establishment" being a long-standing expression that went briefly out of fashion while Britain enjoyed its 50 years of moderate socialism and the media kept quiet about the toffs at the top.

I'm afraid the posts that seem most naive to me are the ones coming from those who claim to be worldly-wise and realistic.

The Winter of Discontent wasn't that bloody bad. None of the national strikes lasted longer than a few weeks and they weren't simultaneous. The waste collection services were out for exactly one month, in Jan-Feb of a bitterly cold winter. It could have been a damn sight worse, and in most countries it is - all the time.

Perhaps it seemed bad to a schoolgirl whose parents kept moaning about it. It really wasn't; it was inconvenient, which is the point of strikes.

If our esteemed party of government continue with their fake austerity, we'll be facing fuel shortages and broken services on a full-time basis. Except for "the elite" and their nearest income group.

Fuel shortages like the 3 day week - regular power cuts due to miners strikes. The destruction of the UK car industry. Dock workers striking for inheritable jobs. Would be delighted to have all that back.

It is not the 1970s. We do things differently.

But there should be strikes when conditions aren't good enough.
Ideally, conditions would always be good enough and there'd be no need for strikes.
But that ain't happening any time soon.

Do you remember all those memes about the Tube strike, pointing out how nurses/doctors get fewer privileges than Tube workers? Well, the Tube workers won the privileges by proving how much London needs them. NHS staff aren't allowed to strike.

Employers in the UK are currently doing their level best to prove how little they need their workers - suck up the pay cuts, deteriorating conditions and unspecified hours or we'll outsource to some more desperate country. Everybody's scared to call their bluff. It's reminiscent of the reasons unions were set up in the first place.

mummymeister I was interested to read your post. Could you say who you think would be good or better in charge?

Not me, I'm busy that day.

Garrick I was a teenager and young adult in the 70s and 80s. The most disruption I remember personally was at the time of the riots in the Thatcher era!

Like capitalism, I don't think trade unions are unalloyed "good" or "bad". I worked in the print industry when unions still operated closed shops. Cronyism and refusal to embrace progress are not pretty. OTOH, neither is the sort of capitalism where zero hours contracts rule and excessive restrictions on collection active are imposed. There is a middle way, as the German experience tells us. Even here in France, trade unionism is by and large a positive force. Both my OH and I are union members (I'm a professional in a high paid job, he has a small business) - our local union does a good job of taking to task employers who take the mickey.

When my parents died I took the gas lamps they bought and used during the power cuts of the 70s. The country was brought to its knees by the left - just watch some comedy programmes from that era with people called out on strike all the time. It woudl be laughable if it wasn't horrendous for most people in the UK. Thankfully we brought it to an end and people came to their senses. The red flat did not fly and capitalism prevailed as even it has in China in some senses since then www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b069c2rx/secrets-of-china-3-how-to-get-rich

claig hasn't JC pretty much said he won't campaign on the EU referendum? I'm not sure where you get the idea that he and the party will be standing shoulder to shoulder with Farage.

Cooper has said she will concentrate on it. To stay in.

Tom Watson has said he is firmly pro Eu.

So where is the Exit campaign going to come from in the Labour Party?

I am deeply disappointed with the shadow cabinet. I fear Corbyn is just too old and too old fashioned to do the job properly.Am I the only one who wants a government which represents the people of Britain including women and non-whites. Even someone with a regional accent would be a start. I afraid Corbyn looks and acts like a typical baby boomer. We need new blood.

Interesting to see Diane Abbot getting a job in the shadow cabinet.

I was 20 during the WoD. It really, really wasn't that bad.

Yup , but it smacks of tokenism to me.

White 60 something privately school educated man who lives in Islington gives no senior cabinet posts to women! Yet has this supposed 50/50 commitment.

What else can you expect from someone on his third wife who is 20 years younger than he is? So much for his supposed feminism.

'I'm not sure where you get the idea that he and the party will be standing shoulder to shoulder with Farage.'

He won't stand shoulder to shoulder with Farage. The Establishment allows no one to stand with Farage. Only the people are with Farage. But if the EU elite (the business and bankers who run it and who implemted austerity on Greece) try to tell Corbyn what he is allowed to do over nationalisation or People's QE, then I think that Corbyn and McDonnell will tell them where to get off. They are not Oxbridge, this is for real which is why every newspaper is in panic.

'Cooper has said she will concentrate on it. To stay in.'

Cooper is history.

'Tom Watson has said he is firmly pro Eu.'

Watson can believe in the man in the moon, but McDonnell is Shadow Chancellor and he is not Oxbridge.

'So where is the Exit campaign going to come from in the Labour Party?'

There won't be an exit from Corbyn provided the EU banking elite don't tell him what he is allowed to do over his socialist plans. But if they lock horns with him, he will defeat them. This is real, it is not New Labour.

claig you're not making any sense.

JC isn't PM. He isn't going into any negotiations about the EU. He won't be locking horns with anyone.

This is about the referendum and whether the Labour Party will campaign for in or out. You seemed to be saying that JC will stand firmly for out. But he hasn't said that. And the rest of the party won't either (Watson and Cooper have plenty of party support).

So I'm really not understanding where your picture of JC as the anti-EU champion is coming from. What is he actually going to do in respect of the referendum that makes you so excited?

Can someone more educated about this than myself please tell me how is is going to afford all these changes?