Well, there we have it: Jeremy Corbyn has just been announced the next Labour Leader

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With 59% of the vote (first round).

I've just been following the live BBC broadcast and just wanted them to get on with it.

No doubt people on both sides of the political spectrum will be overjoyed with the result.

I worked in London when Corbyn was just starting out. I don't like him. I really don't like him. and I wouldn't trust him. He is a typical champagne socialist - don't be fooled by the clothes. anyone old enough to remember Michael Foot knows exactly what we are in for. as for renationalising things - please!! I grew up with streets full of rubbish and trains that really never ran on time and utilities that didn't give a shiny shit for their customers because we weren't customers we were nothing. they got paid regardless as to how well they performed. if labour were the company you worked for how would you feel about someone who had never had a management position and who had persistently rubbished the company becoming MD. and if you don't say you would look for another job then quite honestly I don't believe you. this man for all his protestations is dangerous. I hope the labour MPs do us all a favour and get rid of him. then I might vote for them.

If you want to see what happens when well meaning amateurs run things, then look at the co-op and kids company.

I live in Islington. I've also had to contact my MP about a serious housing matter, on one occasion in fact Mr Corbyn.

I won't get into a tirade of vitriol of what I think wrong with London Borough of Islington and their various inept council departments and flouting of policy at this point of the evening as I was rather enjoying myself but having lived here for so long and having experienced first hand the various departmental drones that are trained to be as obstructive and disengaged as possible I feel I can safely say that it would take a hell of a lot more than Jeremy Corbyn to fix the issues at a local level let alone a country wide one.

His office isn't interested in its constituents needs in my experience as in doing that would highlight the failings of a badly run borough which employs bully boy tactics the minute issues like housing problems antisocial behaviour or disability are raised from a resident level. Unless you fit a particular demographic or you don't challenge wrong doing then you will be blocked at every turn. It defies all logic and common sense and living in this constituency does not fill me with hope for a brighter future for my children which incidentally don't seem to be a priority where we live either.

All the social media photos of council chiefs and MPs kissing cats and attending local community events with their media trained grins is utterly laughable as when one actually asks for the policies highlighted by these events be implemented it just doesn't happen. It's all fine an well attending an event on raising disability awareness and community support and assistance but when a resident can't even leave their home some days because there isn't adequate accessibility one has to wonder.

This borough as far as I'm concerned is Dantes 8th circle circa 1984.

(And I hope other Islington residents have a better time of it living here as I've done as to be fair there are some decent parks - and not everyone has the same experience of life of course, mines just been made harder by having to deal with the Ministry of Islington)

They've lost our vote is all I can say.

What party runs Islington? Often towns and cities councils are run by different parties to the one their MP represents

Its OK Google says labour. Go back to your rant

I remember Michael Foot. A kind, thoughtful, intelligent man. I've met Mr. Corbyn too. He's not daft either.
As for the streets full of rubbish, what's different now, and the trains, yep, they still get their government subsidies regardless.

If you want to see what happens when well meaning amateurs run things, then look at the co-op and kids company.
Or going the other way Royal Bank of Scotland.

JC is a very thoughtful man. Very very sincere. But he is no intellectual power house.

I think the big concern did the Tories right now is the EU referendum. JC has historically wanted out. He's moderated in that he now would accept a reformed EU.

All the shizzle coming from Tory HQ is aimed at their naughty back benchers . Align themselves with JC at their peril!

dawndonna this argument breaks down when you consider why RBS ended up in state hands ;) Because those "professionals" do things so much better.

And if that's not good enough, I give you also Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch and numerous others which required state handouts to survive.

And finally, you might reflect on the fact that the East Coast line, which was brought back into public ownership for a period after 2009 (when National Exoress walked away from the contract) was run so efficiently that it received much lower subsidies that other, private operators.

The final irony is that many of the beneficiaries of privatisation in the UK have been majority state-owned foreign enterprises like SNCF!

I'm all in favour of privatisation where it makes sense, but the argument needs to be evidence driven.

He is indeed no intellectual power house. He got two Es at levels at the same time some of us were gettins As despite going to a private primary school and a state grammar and despite being the grandson of a solicitor!

Not sure if someone up thread has mentioned this:

Tom and Jerry, now running the Labour party. You couldn't make it up. Journos will be having such a lot of fun with this one.

I've belatedly learned Corbyn gave Andrew Marr a miss because he had a prior commitment with a mental health fundraiser, and wanted to spend the rest of the day receiving resignations sorting out a Cabinet.

I'm in two minds about this. It's true to his character, and I'm sure Watson welcomed the cameras. But the UK doesn't know who he is yet. Still, I guess there's time.

He has put himself forward as a facilitator, not a boss. His campaign leaflet was all about ground-level organising, dialogue, and "more inclusive, less top-down". From what I hear he is a great facilitator and diplomat. It's all really interesting, because we've been bossed around for so long that you probably have to be as old as I am to remember a more collaborative style of government.

Basically, Westminster's long overdue for a bloody big shake, and there's a chance it might get one

He is indeed no intellectual power house. He got two Es at levels at the same time some of us were gettins As despite going to a private primary school and a state grammar and despite being the grandson of a solicitor!

Didn't John Major only have O Levels? I believe George Osborne has a degree in Modern History, I guess with that qualification we shouldn't question his ability to run the economy. Ed Milliband was the son of an academic but according to the gutter press this was a bad thing!

Tom and Jerry, now running the Labour party. You couldn't make it up. Journos will be having such a lot of fun with this one.

Yes, the morally and intellectually bankrupt ones

Osborne is a PPE, like Cameron, Miliband, Blair and Mandelson and a whole shedload more. Politics, Philosophy and Economics.

"He is indeed no intellectual power house. He got two Es at levels at the same time some of us were gettins As despite going to a private primary school and a state grammar and despite being the grandson of a solicitor!"

And this is relevant exactly why?

Varoufakis is at a meeting with McDonnell tonight. Can you imagine seeing a leftwinger like Varoufakis challenging the Tories

Varoufakis - the internationally-acclaimed saviour of European monetary union and a pillar of Fiscal responsibility...?!!!

Please, I'm going to injure myself laughing.

He is indeed no intellectual power house. He got two Es at levels at the same time some of us were gettins As despite going to a private primary school and a state grammar and despite being the grandson of a solicitor!

The "intellectual power house" group that we have had over the past governments haven't been that brilliant.

'Tom and Jerry, now running the Labour party.'

Cameron is going to have a whale of a time at PMQs. No more jokes about Ed Balls and flatlining, now it's a cat and mouse game.

To be fair to John Major, after leaving school with only O levels, he did gain additional qualifications by 'correspondence study' and some professional qualifications in banking. I don't think it's really very fair to compare the qualifications gained by someone from a much less privilidged background like John Major.

I'd rather have someone intelligent who has a grasp of politics and economics than someone who failed their a levels in charge of the country

I've never understood why people are so keen to steer away from highly educated people being our leaders. Surely we want intelligent educated people being our decision makers?

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Its relevant because his clothes where mentioned up thread and they are running out of stuff about him.

As for the streets full of rubbish, what's different now

There is nothing remotely like the Winter of Discontent happening now (or, indeed, since the W of D). I think you have either forgotten how fucking awful it was, or you are not old enough to remember.