Well, there we have it: Jeremy Corbyn has just been announced the next Labour Leader

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With 59% of the vote (first round).

I've just been following the live BBC broadcast and just wanted them to get on with it.

No doubt people on both sides of the political spectrum will be overjoyed with the result.

It's just your own fantasy that the Tories are panicking. They are either celebrating or reserving judgement.

That may change in a year or so, depending on how JC does:
opinion polls, Scottish elections, London Mayor, byelections.

The last poll, asking intentions with JC as leader, did NOT help the figures:

Tories 42%, Labour 28 % is not when the Tories panic

'Tories 42%, Labour 28 % is not when the Tories panic'

Too early. Lots of people have still not heard about Corbyn or don't know what he is offering. If McDonnell becomes the Shadow Chancellor, wise heads at Tory CCHQ will be running around like headless chickens. They will know they have a real opponent and the game is on.

I remember the SDP getting up to 55% in the opinion polls when they were new. Voters of very different political views supported them
Of course, that support faded away when the SDP had to finally present concrete policies and many folk realised they actually disagreed with them.

I assumed Winterton would be Shadow Chancellor.

I have to agree with you BigChoc - I don't think the Tories are panicking at all, the "threat to security" thing feels like they feel they have to say something negative right now. I guess they are going to hold off and wait to see what the Labour party does next. Can Corbyn get loyalty from the PLP when he's treated previous front benchers with such disrespect? Can he move the party to the left, and keep those Blairites 'on message'?

The Tories just have to sit back and look unified and look like they are delivering on what htey said they would.

BigChoc - it ws 20%, not 20 (if I remember rightly) . But anyway, how do we know how many of the PLP actually voted for him in the election? I can't find that number anywhere.

If Margaret Beckett calls herself a 'moron' who am I to argue? But in my view it would not be for lending JC her support. She was right- the party needed a wider debate and that is what he brought and people responded to his voice. If she thinks she is a 'moron' because allowing that meant he gained support then she has to answer the question about why the Labour Party and for whom the Labour Party exists. It is certainly not there to promote the views of the PLP and only allow members access to leaders the PLP prefer but rather that the PLP listen to and represent the the views of party members.

The PLP can decide whether it suits them or not. If they can not work with what the membership want they should resign as MPs and let their constituents either elect someone who does or decide they want to vote for a different party. There needs to be a bottoming out of the Labour Party now, now while the appetite for it is there.

The Labour Party has always been a 'wide church' but what we have now are a lot of whingeing egos on the front benches who don't have much substance. Who cares if Rachel Reeve has resigned? who knows who she is or what she has done?She is another non-entity who thinks she is important

They have all burnt their boats. Burnham has had two goes now and no one wants him. Cooper's time has gone and after years of self-promotion and positioning herself as the next Leader she has failed to be credible. Kendall has proved she has no credibility with anyone. Tristan Hunt was nowhere despite his sureity he had something to offer, no one wanted him. They are all Blairites and their time is past.

Umunna is the biggest joke. Most people outside of the south-east have no idea who he is yet he sees himself as a future PM. He has no backbone, no grit, no guts. He did not last a week. How can he eventhink he could be PM. He misjudged this contest and poor judgement like that is not what anyone wants to see in a leader. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen and don't dawdle in the doorway.

The one who has played it honestly and paced it is Dan Jarvis who I am sure will emerge as the next leader- but not next year, perhaps after the next election and he certainly could be PM and take the country with him.

Why should they worry about McDonnell ?
Don't assume that what pleases you automatically terrifies the Tories
btw, had you heard of McDonnell last month and do you know his policies now ?

'Why should they worry about McDonnell ? '

Because he is a real leftwinger, the closest ally of Corbyn and is backed by the unions. My bet is that he is alos not Oxbridge, will google wikipedia later.

'btw, had you heard of McDonnell last month and do you know his policies now ?'

I had only come across him due to bad taste joke about Thatcher which did him no favours. I don't know his policies but the fact that he is a real left winger is enough to know that he will be real opposition not fake Oxbridge opoosition.

Dinosaur Corbyn has not treated them with disrespect. He has been the politest and most respectful of all the candidates. He has refused on every occasion to namecall and criticise any of them. They have treated him with disrespect. The hypocrisy at the results yesterday was staggering, especially from Yvette Cooper who was on her feet clapping and cheering, encouraging a group hug, congratulating him, speaking about a time for unity and then immediately resigning. No doubt she and Burnham will be rubbing each other's backs comfortingly and feeding their egos. They need to remember that between them they could not compete with Corbyn, never mind separately.

At least Burnham's face gave away his pique and he almost had to be dragged into the hugs. But for his team to Tweet 'Fuck' is unforgiveable and unprofessional even if someone did then remove it. It will be interesting to see if he is prepared to serve in a Corbyn Shadow Cabinet. I suspect he would if asked- he won't want to lose his place on the front pages. I would respect him if he did serve.

Kendall and Cooper will sink from view. I would not be surprised if they both leave parliament. Cooper and Balls may well do a David Milliband and move to the States for a while. Kendall really has no role future in politics in Britain. 4%.

Chukka will no doubt continue with his clubbing and 'cool' behaviour. It will be interesting to see if the girlfriend continues once the publicity calms down. She appeared as his candidacy was announced and he has been under scrutiny since so we will see if she continues once the press take their eye off him.

Lulu There are 232 Labour MPs.
Party rules state 35 MPs must nominate anyone before they can be considered for Party Leader.
He originally had too few of his own supporters, so some who didn't support him agreed to nominate him, just for a fair contest - they never imagined he would win and a few have since spoken of their regret.
e.g. Margaret Becket, Frank Field, Emil Thornberry

I did a typo, sorry, about 30 MPs are thought to support him, out of 232.
Unprecedented for any leader of any party.
So he'll have problems getting the MPs to follow the whip in votes, especially since he defied the whip 500 times himself.
There are likely to be many future embarassments of Labour voting every which way.
Several MPs have already been anonymously briefing against him. Nasty situation.

Tories are not scared of leftwingers as such, only those likely to get elected.
Ditto Labour not being scared of rightwingers not in a position of lower.

Tory MPs curently assume JC has made their seats and Parliamentary perks much safer.
They may be wrong, but history is on their side.

Bigchoc

The poll that you seem to be quoting is from a poll of Daily mail readers. So I am not sure of the quality of the results

I am not worried about Corybyn at all. The electrion will be won in 5 years' time on the basis of the economy and which party people think will handle the economy best. I have little doubt it will be the Tories.

Corbyn like most politicians is a good man although his politics are wrong and I am not happy with that 3rd wife being 20 years younger - typical same old same old man with younger bit of skirt. Why is the third wife never their age or older?

'Tories are not scared of leftwingers as such, only those likely to get elected.'

I think they are because then they will have to face real leftwing arguments. Varoufakis is at a meeting with McDonnell tonight. Can you imagine seeing a leftwinger like Varoufakis challenging the Tories. He would make micemeat out of them.

The Tories have had an easy ride with the Tory-lites because the Tory-lites essentially agreeed on all key issues except they wanted to do it more "nicely".

With real leftwingers there will be no more "nice", no more Oxbridge, there will be real challenge.

I think the Tories are worried that the debate will be moved leftwards in the short term.

And they are scared shitless about what happens if the Corbynites line up with the Tory Eurosceptics when it comes to the referendum.

'And they are scared shitless about what happens if the Corbynites line up with the Tory Eurosceptics when it comes to the referendum.'

Yes, Farage has asked Corbyn to join him on No to the Referendum. I don't think Corbyn will have the courage to do it. Blair and every bigwig available will be in his ear telling him no.

I think (hope) that Corbyn will not get support from the Labour Party for a no campaign. And I do believe that he genuinely does not intend to lead from the front but to adopt a more democratic policy-making process. I hope I am right on this ( I would be personally affected by a brexit).

McDonnell supports the legalisation of prostitution and was sacked from the GLC by Ken Livingstone.

I think you are right. Corbyn will allow members etc to decide. I don't think he will impose his decisions on the EU or NATO or Trident. But hopefully on economic policy he will go all out with McDonnell for the real deal.

Why was McDonnell sacked by Livingstone?

Lulu - I didn't mean during the leadership competition which feels like a lifetime but his time in parliament beforehand - he's not voted with the party repeatidly, he's openly critised his colleagues' policies/policy ideas, granted, he wasn't considered 'important' in the party enough to have much attention paid by the media to him, but still, it's going to be very hard to get Labour MPs with him, to support policies that don't fully represent their views in order to show party unity (which they need so much after this rediculously drawn out leadership competition, outside of Labour supporters, this has done so much damage - there was no reason for it to take from May to September to get a new leader, no other party makes such a drama out of it).

Boney Polls are commissioned by newspapers ( Mail, Guardian etc ) but they are samples of the UK population, certainly not from the newspaper readers. That would be ridiculous.

Livingstone sacked him as he wanted to break to law and not set a GLC budget.
This was the same fiasco which had Liverpool council workers rushing round the city in taxis carrying redundancy notices for their staff as they also refused to set a budget. here

Thanks, carol

I think the Labour Party are in for a tough time as I think Corbyn will have difficulty uniting the party behind him. Which is a shame as it is important to have an effective opposition.

I strongly disagree with Corbyn on the majority things, and believe some of his policies are downright lunacy, but at least he attempts to "sell what he believes in" and not simply "believing in what he thinks he can sell" which is what the other candidates seemed to be doing. He also communicates well. I think the combination of these factors are why he won. I also think people are looking for an alternative (similar to the Syriza popularity in Greece) and that has helped.

I think Corbyn as PM would be disastrous for the UK though, and whilst not a Tory voter I could not vote for a labour party with Corbyn and most of his policies as they stand at present.