migrants - AIBU to wonder how this will all work out ?

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My understanding of the migrant crisis is that the majority of the migrants are coming from countries which do not, in any way, share or support Western beliefs/values/way of life. They are now flooding into Western Europe in the hundreds of thousands. Nobody knows who they are or their background in their home country. AIBU to wonder what will be the result of this ?

They are fleeing war/violence etc. AIBU to wonder why, when they reach Hungary, which is a 'safe' country, (although economically depressed), is it not good enough and they are determined to reach Germany, UK, Austria etc ?

AIBU to wonder why the majority of these migrants feel it is acceptable to stampede through European law immigration procedures to reach their chosen country rather than wait and be correctly processed in the 'safe country they have landed in ? Surely if a person has landed in a 'safe' country, after witnessing goodness knows what in their home country, they should respect and adhere to the policies and procedures of that country ?

AIBU to wonder how this will all work out ?

I would like to hear your calm and measured thoughts please................

Well, I want tax money to go wherever it is needed most. (BTW, it is not correct to talk about "My taxes" as after they are paid, they are not yours. Much like you'd be pretty outraged if your boss started complaining about what you spent "their wages" on.) So we disagree. But TBH there are a hundred and one things that I could talk about being a "waste" of tax money, I'm sure they could cut one of those to pay for cancer treatment if they wanted to. Cutting cancer treatment has nothing to do with foreign aid. Just because two budget decisions happen at the same time it doesn't mean that one directly affected another. True that more foreign aid means less in the bank, but not true that it magically affects cancer treatment. That could have been any cut.

"What makes what's happening in Syria an actual 'war' though? Yes, we see it as a war, but legally, officially is it a war? What makes it a war?"

Of course it's a fucking war! Sheesh.

From the BBC website ...

More than 200,000 Syrians have lost their lives in four years of armed conflict, which began with anti-government protests before escalating into a full-scale civil war. More than 11 million others have been forced from their homes as forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad and those opposed to his rule battle each other - as well as jihadist militants from Islamic State

Stria: The story of the war so far, in pictures

That should say Syria: The story of the war so far, in pictures.

This is now. So not sure why you need a comparison to be honest. The world is wide. NO is the answer. In the war days families did actually take refugees in. No one actually shouted open the doors.

England is most certainly not closed, nor should we be. We have room. There is plenty that could be done to re-distribute the wealth a bit, to help the vulnerable here, and the vulnerable that need shelter. We are a rich nation.

Honestly, it's been a while since I've read so much bollocks on a thread. Get some compassion, and get a education.

Are you for real Bertie. Yes, everything has a baring on others. There isnt a massive surplus going on you know. thats damn thick really to think there is.

I can't, we don't have room and DH would never agree anyway. But I have been and continue to donate stuff to centres, I'm trying to find out where I can volunteer as I have time to spare at the moment, and I generally try to be kind to others, because I do believe it has a ripple effect.

What are you doing to help people in this country since you care so much more about them, and "doing things" is apparently a necessary qualification to take part in this debate? ()

NO we dont have room. You might so then give them a room. I dont as i live in a one bed with 2 children. who becomes affected? you? no. Me, yes. working to lower class are the affected, its a fact.

That's not what I said, but never mind. You're not interested in listening to another point of view anyway, are you?

I've posted this elsewhere. But there are so many threads, and so many people who want to pull at heartstrings. This message is mainly for them.

As bad as it is that a Syrian child had to drown in the sea, captured by cameras, let's not forget there are wars elsewhere, too.

In Africa, children die in war ALL THE TIME. In fact, there have been downright massacres. But no one cares. No one offers asylum whatsoever. It hardly even gets a column in the newspaper. The UN now calls for the EU to take in refugees, but did nothing whatsoever about Zimbabwe.

I wonder why people suddenly care about this one event. Very likely because they saw a picture of a dead child dressed in normal clothes that could have been worn by one of their own.

When people see the pictures of African children dead in their war-torn countries, in tattered clothes their own children would never be seen in, they might give some money to charity. But is there ever an outcry? Do people ever say, open the gates and let them in?

Despite there being unspeakable violence in those countries - more so than the stories we hear from Syria, and for a much longer time period - the answer is 'No'.

Because those children are so, so different from their own children. They're so used to see the suffering of those children on TV every year on Red Nose Day that they turn a blind eye.

I am pretty sure that a lot of the people commenting on this thread that are shattered by what happened have never given thought to those kids. Sad that this hypocrisy exist.

And now, I would like to ask people. If we offer asylum to Syrians in the EU. Will we do so for those affected in Africa? There would be millions.

I'd really like to know the answer.

An education should be more than reading the Daily Express and UKIP leaflets you know.

The answer is we cant. There isnt an answer unless the powers that be in these countries take responsibility.

and the powers that be in this country stop enabling them.

bertiebotts yo ucan always convert your living room to a bedroom because after all these people need a safe place to live and have absolutely nothing besides you don't need a living room when you have a bedroom. So methinks there is room in your house really. Utter nonsense to say otherwise because if it was a family member who need a room its what you would do for them surely.

Yes you convinced me...

let's protect what we've got - lets greedily wrap our arms around it and snarl when hungry desperate people approach for help

That's the way I want to live my life -

I am not reading past the first page as I can't bear it. Lovelyconverse, you asked:

AIBU to wonder why, when they reach Hungary, which is a 'safe' country, (although economically depressed), is it not good enough and they are determined to reach Germany, UK, Austria etc ?

Hungary has en extreme right-wing government. It is not a safe place for refugees.

No European country even comes in the top ten destinations for refugees.

The few who undertake this massive & dangerous journey are doing because they've got friends or family here.

The vast majority of refugees stay in their region of displacement, so that 86% of the world’s refugees are hosted by developing countries. Turkey now hosts the highest number of refugees at 1.6million, followed by Pakistan at 1.5million. UNCHR

The truth about refugees: Amnesty.

Turkey doesn't recognise Kurds (many of the people fleeing Syria, including the Kurdi family) as having a home country, hence it refuses to process visas for them.

Finally, here are some pictures of Aylan Kurdi's home town, Kobani.

JuJuMun69 I know. That is the answer. It's time people wake up though. Because this whole 'open the gates' attitude is basically opening Pandora's box.

Hours, that is not a realistic view is it? or you would be out there as a red cross worker. So dont be so patronising. You wouldnt be on the internet spouting you'd be out there doing. You'd give up your home and go.

But I invite more people to reply to my post above please.

No-one answers you SnowBells because they don't have an answer for you and because it might just make their arguments and views quite flawed really. Besides I am with you on what you posted.

It pisses me off that the ones who say let them all in are the ones that don't have to live a less life, their kids dont have to not be able to work. We cant damn well do it, its enough. Let the rich and middle class integrate with migrants. Bring them in then at a higher level. would that happen? of course not.

Think about what would make you give up your home, JuJuMum, and load your precious children (if you have them) onto an inflatable lifeboat to try and make it across the sea.

Because that's how desperate they are.

Would it take the deaths of 11 members of your family, to be arrested, tortured, have all your teeth pulled out? To have to sell your business to bribe your freedom, or more than that? To be bombed, your house destroyed, your children starving, all the men in your village beheaded, or more than that?

You're seriously telling me you have not one iota of compassion towards a family going through that - and a man whose wife and tiny children then drown in front of him. You don't sound very human at all.

What a load of ignorant twaddle on this thread.

When we have councils with 20,000+ on waiting lists for housing how on earth can we be expected to take on more people. We can't even house those who are already here. That makes no sense whatsoever.

I didnt say they werent desperate. I said this is not the answer so read what I have written. I said this is not the answer. I said that the powers that be need to not entertain their leaders, which they do. Oh, I know.... 10 downing street has a few more bedrooms than needed. I will understand when the Upper and middle class actually do something rather than spout shite.