migrants - AIBU to wonder how this will all work out ?

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My understanding of the migrant crisis is that the majority of the migrants are coming from countries which do not, in any way, share or support Western beliefs/values/way of life. They are now flooding into Western Europe in the hundreds of thousands. Nobody knows who they are or their background in their home country. AIBU to wonder what will be the result of this ?

They are fleeing war/violence etc. AIBU to wonder why, when they reach Hungary, which is a 'safe' country, (although economically depressed), is it not good enough and they are determined to reach Germany, UK, Austria etc ?

AIBU to wonder why the majority of these migrants feel it is acceptable to stampede through European law immigration procedures to reach their chosen country rather than wait and be correctly processed in the 'safe country they have landed in ? Surely if a person has landed in a 'safe' country, after witnessing goodness knows what in their home country, they should respect and adhere to the policies and procedures of that country ?

AIBU to wonder how this will all work out ?

I would like to hear your calm and measured thoughts please................

And I really think this issue is fuck all to do with being right or left wing, it's about compassion and humanity, both of which you appear to have very little of.

Janet, plenty of people, are pro-humanitarian aid and pro-refugees being granted asylum in the UK, and have been for a long time. Yes, public opinion has been swayed by the media by the photo of Aylan - but that is because it caused more people to view the refugees as human beings - rather than a 'dangerous swarm' - which is what they had been encouraging before that. That is a good thing.

Some people are so incredibly up their own arses, that they would indeed walk past a child like Aylan on the beach and not give a damn. Because apparently "Britain is full, and they're only Muslims anyway and won't integrate here".

Which brings me to onlysaying (who I believe is probably one of those latter mentioned people). onlysaying, you do sound bitter, and in my experience, feeling bitter about life does tend to go hand in hand with the "not wanting bloody immigrants over here" view. Nothing I can say will change your mind about that - but the interesting thing is, your wish to justify your opinions by making out that somehow the refugees don't deserve assistance, that they brought this situation on themselves. The assurance that you give to charity. That makes me think that your conscience pricks you a tiny bit.

Oh, and JeffreysMummy's posts weren't deleted for breaching MN guidelines- yours was. So it was you that was out of order, not her.

Everyone who has a different viewpoint is always a "racist" or a "homophobe"

Well, yes if you make racist or homophobic comments then you probably do fit that description. Did you really not see the blatantly xenophobic comments earlier on in this thread?

Well dear if you make racist/xenophobic comments you fully deserve to be called up on your vulgar behaviour.

The dramatic comments such as 'some people are so incredibly incredibly up their own arses...... they'd walk past a dead child on the beach'. Oh please, what a terrible comment to make.

No one on their right mind, well perhaps in China where it was common place to find dead baby girls lying dead in the gutter, would walk past a dead child and do nothing. People are concerned about numbers, hence the phrase 'swarm' being used. If it was a problem that seemed to have an end then I don't think people would be alarmed. But the constant stream that is arriving in Europe is setting off alarm bells across all countries in Europe.

I suspect that will end up doing something to stop the people-traffickers from being able to operate. in the same way Pirating has ceased to be such big business due to measures being put in place.

underthegreenwoodtree I was replying to a pp who wanted clarification on something upthread, I don't really care whether you are interested or not. But hours after I posted my friends experience is still being mocked by some, it just proves my point that in your eyes some people are more worthy of empathy than others and it doesn't make you any better than anyone else.

I've come back because of the new article in the Guardian about Chancellor Osborne's interivew:

Osborne told the Andrew Marr Show on BBC1: “The question in the spending review is not just how does our aid budget help the rest of the world, but how does it help Britain’s national interest.” He added: “But where is Britain’s national interest? It is in helping this crisis on our doorsteps and using this big commitment we’ve made as a British people to the aid budget to help.”

The chancellor answered critics who said that Britain is acting less generously than Germany, which is on course to admit 800,000 people this year, by saying the prime minister will outline far-reaching plans to help the refugees. Osborne said the aid budget would be used to help with refugees’ housing and living costs in the first year of their stay in Britain.

.............So our Chancellor is putting our national interests first finally someone who understands my concerns that we shouldn't be sending money but using the money to ensure our country can cope. That is what my concern has always been that money wherever it comes from, including the additional £100m is used to help our country. If that means covering housing costs so we can take in some refugees than yes I am all of it. If it is sending it overseas where it will just be wasted and not actually tackle the issues of how our councils can afford to house them when they have thousands of people on waiting lists already than no I am against it.

Funny though because my concern labelled me as person lacking of compassion,empathy, xenophobia etc. are you going to label the Chancellor as well for voicing the same concern I have?

You all go on about the fact they are all human beings..yes they are but in the same breath you don't want those who may be criminals or terrorists......they are still human beings right irrespective of their beliefs, values or attitudes so why should they be discriminated against...where is your compassion now?

Still deliberately misunderstanding what people on here are saying then shabby? Nobody was mocking your friend, they were mocking the alarmist comments you were making, which seemed to suggest Britain is going to be under Sharia Law by next week.

Hang on, are shabby and onlysaying the same person?

Yesterday your concern Lil seemed to be unlabelled 'blessed' meat of an unspecified type.

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hours after I posted my friends experience is still being mocked by some

Oh god, this again. Can we be any more clear? No one is mocking your friend. NO ONE. We are mocking YOU. For your ridiculous extrapolation of one (admittedly unpleasant) anecdote to a hysterical assumption about an entire race. Despite other people pointing to similar anecdotes about white taxi drivers, guide dogs actually allowed in mosques, etc.

It's like fucking groundhog day in here. Oh well, only 163 more posts to go. Please no one start part II . . .

guide dogs actually allowed in mosques, etc.
Oi, I posted about guide dogs being allowed in a mosque.

Ha! Yes Pipbin you did - sorry, I should have included a citation there. Onlysaying is very keen on them, after all.

It is a concern that the major supermarkets decided to only sell blessed meat to cater to one religion,secretly, so that two religions (Jewish and Sikhism) didn't know and will have bought and ate meat that was against their religious beliefs. IF the supermarkets had clearly labelled it and also offered alternatives than it would be a problem.

Sadly though none of you think there is anything remotely wrong with what happened all you care about is whether I was being/am racist.

I put that up but if you read my entire post which it was included in you would have seen that before it I said people cannot say anything about Muslims or Islam without being labelled racists. I then put that meat example in and in typical fashion you all labelled me racist instead of saying how wrong it was that people's religious beliefs had been trampled over but that's ok isn't it you all of you who haven't even voiced how wrong that is yet if someone draws a picture of Mohammed suddenly everyone is up in arms about how disrespectful,outrageous and wrong that is to Muslims.

wouldn't be problem*

How did Jews feel when they used to be drawn in cartoons as big lipped, big eyed, greedy bearded men with their arms around sacks of money in European posters? Is that what all Jewish men looked like? Were they all greedy for money? We're they all evil?

I don't understand how a Jew of all people can be so fucking discriminating.

Are we back to meat again? Really? Fwiw, in the supermarkets I've shopped at the halal meat is always clearly labelled and in the minority. So if it was unlabelled in the past then perhaps they've realised their mistake and are doing it now? But it would be nice if we didn't derail the conversation onto meat. Again!

So BigRedBall do you think its ok that Sikhs and Jews ate meat that was against their religious beliefs?

The problem was that you couldn't get your story straight.
You got very upset when myself and others said that you were referring to Halal meat. Yet as a Jew it must have been Halal meat that you were referring to as kosher meat wouldn't be a problem.

That and massively missing the point.

Cerseirys we are only talking one year since labelling has been introduced but still do you think its ok that it happened?

Yep. Groundhog day.

Guide dogs in taxis. Tick.

Blessed but definitely not halal because I'm not a racist meat. Tick.

You can set your watch by it.

156 to go . . .

LilMiss that's a complete contradiction of what you were saying, you originally said that you wanted the 100m spent on housing and cancer treatments in this country for the indigenous population and not on providing for refugees, you argued constantly about how this 100m should be spent, could not accept that this money was not taking away from other services but part and parcel of the already ring fenced aid budget and was not therefore available to be spent elsewhere. Now you seem to be saying it's okay to spend money on refugees as long as they are in the UK and the money comes from the aid budget, but on the other hand you don't want any of the money from the aid budget sent overseas to help refugees camped in other areas, so money only to be spent on the very few refugees who are permitted to enter the UK, the rest can whistle?

I have never said anything whatsoever that would discriminate against any of the refugees who may or may not be eligible for entry to the UK, personally I judge people on the content of their character and treat them as human beings first and foremost.

Maybe it's just the supermarkets I shop in (nothing fancy just good old Sainsburys, Morrisons and Asda) but I've noticed clearly labelled halal ranges being sold in there for at least 5 years now. I did Google the story about supermarkets "secretly" selling it, and the top hits were from the Daily Mail, BNP and English Democrats websites. I didn't click on any of them for obvious reasons. And I suspect the English Democrats play fast and loose with the definition of "democrat"...

No I got pissed off because you all missed the point and my story hasn't got confusing its the same in all my posts. You PipBin started the Halal meat words saying I had posted the words Halal meat and therefore I am racist and when I proved to you my post did not say those words you had to apologise because you were wrong.

I am not just talking about Jews but also Sikhs because for them it means both kosher and halal meat but omg how dare I support other religions and speak out about what is wrong.

You all bring it back to being about Muslims and Islam forgetting that the issue is people ate something that was against their religious beliefs because they were lied to and not told, their choice was taken away from them. Therefore proving my point that the moment you mention something and it involves Muslims/Islam your automatically labelled racist because people don't look beyond to what is being actually being said. See remove muslims and islam out of say the meat is blessed by the timbuktoo religion....now tell me would you now say I am racists towards timbuktoos?

Would that be timbuktoo the city in Mali, which is a predominantly Muslim country?