migrants - AIBU to wonder how this will all work out ?

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My understanding of the migrant crisis is that the majority of the migrants are coming from countries which do not, in any way, share or support Western beliefs/values/way of life. They are now flooding into Western Europe in the hundreds of thousands. Nobody knows who they are or their background in their home country. AIBU to wonder what will be the result of this ?

They are fleeing war/violence etc. AIBU to wonder why, when they reach Hungary, which is a 'safe' country, (although economically depressed), is it not good enough and they are determined to reach Germany, UK, Austria etc ?

AIBU to wonder why the majority of these migrants feel it is acceptable to stampede through European law immigration procedures to reach their chosen country rather than wait and be correctly processed in the 'safe country they have landed in ? Surely if a person has landed in a 'safe' country, after witnessing goodness knows what in their home country, they should respect and adhere to the policies and procedures of that country ?

AIBU to wonder how this will all work out ?

I would like to hear your calm and measured thoughts please................

I never made a grandiose statement saying all Muslims are sexist. I gave an example where I had experienced examples of Muslims not integrating into society and holding their own extreme religious views for all to see. I said one of my Muslim mates was quite modern but 5 others held the view that they should not speak or be in the presence of any females at that was university 10 years ago. I didn't generalise the whole Muslim community to be like that.

And it was an example in response to other posters saying Muslims do integrate with society and that people were making crap up saying they didn't. Well there was a real life example to counter that and suddenly I am a bigot and a racist.

You cannot even say anything negative about Muslims without being labelled racist.

My religious belief means I do not eat meat that is blessed by other religions yet when it was revealed supermarkets have been selling blessed meat without informing customers for years on end, trampling over my religious beliefs for god knows how long I didn't see anyone caring that people like myself had our beliefs tramped all over. Yet anyone on here who dared to say meat should be labelled or that it was wrong etc. were called all sorts of names for daring to say it was wrong.

The sad truth is that if it weren't for us having signed up to the free movement of (majority white Christian) EU citizens within the EU, people in the UK wouldn't be so resentful of already high levels of migration and I think would have opened their arms and hearts to the plight of Syrian refugees in an instant. As it is, genuine refugees are being seen as economic migrants and a significant number of people just think 'not more, please, the country's full'.

The EU's racist immigration policy has played a large part in creating the current nasty anti-migrant mood in the UK.

See emoticonecho is asking the question about a real life example of muslims not integrating and I gave one earlier yet I am racist for doing that but now if Europa posts an example he/she won't be racist will they. What a joke

I'm still catching up on the thread, but I think it's safe to say that:

1. Sexism is alive and well in the UK. I don't think the UK has any bragging rights in this arena.

1. All these posts about people having birth defects/genetic defects. Do you people realise how frighteningly much this resembles the whole "pure race" "Aryan race" beliefs from history?

If nothing else, this is illustrating exactly how so many Jewish people died while people stood by and let it happen. You're busy mentally de-humanising the refugees because then you assuage the guilt a bit. When they're not "human" in your mind, they're more disposable.

Watching history repeating.... frightening.

And anyone that thinks ISIS hasn't already managed to get people into the country under the radar is truly naive.

But Lil, I still don't get your point. I know some incredibly sexist Sikhs, some incredibly sexist Hindus and some incredibly sexist white British Christians. That doesn't mean that Sikhs, Hindus and White British Christians have failed to integrate into UK society, it simply means that some people are sexist idiots!

My religious belief means I do not eat meat that is blessed by other religions
Which religion states that?

if Europa posts an example he/she won't be racist will they.
What makes you say that?

You cannot even say anything negative about Muslims without being labelled racist.
There is a difference between negative and ill informed.

As I keep saying my example was in response to posters asking for real life examples of where Muslims are not integrating into society well. The fact we know is that extreme views held by some Muslims is that women are beneath them that they should not be in the presence of women of speak to them unless they are married to them. So those who hold these views come here and don't integrate well because they impose their views in society.

So those who hold these views come here and don't integrate well because they impose their views in society.
What about Christians who don't agree with shops opening on a Sunday?
What about Plymouth Brethern? I had a friend who taught in one of their schools as wasn't allowed to eat with them as she wasn't Plymouth Brethern.

I don't know where you live LilMissSunshine but I've lived in a few different parts of London and the meat in the supermarkets is always labelled so you know whether it's halal or non-halal. And the majority of it is non-halal. I can't imagine that any of the big supermarket chains wouldn't label the meat tbh.

Chala86 I totally agree.

The fact we know is that extreme views held by some Muslims is that women are beneath them that they should not be in the presence of women of speak to them unless they are married to them. So those who hold these views come here and don't integrate well because they impose their views in society.

I agree that it might be problematic if they did impose their views on society, but there are thousands of Muslims living in my town and I do not see this happening. Far from it.

I guess I just don't recognise the pictures that others are so eager to paint.

There's a few extreme sects of all religions who feel like that but it's funny how Muslims are the ones singled out the most.

Your average Muslim has about as much in common with the Isis lot as an average Christian does with the Westboro Baptist Church!

A handy chart here about who sells Halal meat unlabelled. It seems some do. It makes no difference to me being both atheist and vegetarian.
www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/10816716/Find-out-which-supermarkets-and-restaurants-sell-halal-meat.html

Fuck sake this is the last time I am saying it... I was responding to a specific point being about about Muslims, I am not saying other religions don't integrate either but people were specifically talking about Muslims so obviously my response is going to focus on that aspect.

"You cannot even say anything negative about Muslims without being labelled racist."

You can't say / imply something negative about ALL Muslims based on your limited experience of meeting a few Muslims without actually being racist.

That's the definition of racist!

HTH.

Thanks but the point about the meat labelling is that for years noone knew its only now being labelled and some supermarkets still don't and if they are selling the meat the cheapest than you should be able to buy it knowing what you are buying.

Fuck sake this is the last time I am saying it... I was responding to a specific point being about about Muslims, I am not saying other religions don't integrate either but people were specifically talking about Muslims so obviously my response is going to focus on that aspect.

So what was your point? A black man told me to fuck off once, that doesn't mean I can use that as an example of anything other than that one man being unpleasant.

My religious belief means I do not eat meat that is blessed by other religions

Still waiting for an answer to this.

Look above emoticonecho just asked for a real life example/ experience of muslims not integrating..................so my example is one and it was to previous question. That is the point of my post about it.

Sikhism specifically does not allow you to eat kosher or halal meat.

This thread is mental - like the anti-mumsnet. Some of these posts make me feel like I've walked into a chat forum on UKIP.net or something.

There's no point in having these discussions because if you think Muslims are unable to integrate and refugees are just migrants then you're unlikely to concede you're an ill-informed bigot or change your mind.

Ive been moved to tears watching the news tonight. Seeing the relief on the people who have reached the border, got to Munich, etc. normal people, women, kids.

The people ive seen interviewed are medical students, english teachers, doctors. People with good careers like this don't leave Their homes unless they're desperate.

Kampeki that might not be your experience but I have experienced it ..does that mean my experience is not valid and holds no meaning? My example was to show specifically that people have had experiences where SOME Muslims do not integrate well in response to posters ASKING FOR EXAMPLES.

You're a Sikh? In that case, what do you think about Modi's policies in relation to Sikh refugees from Pakistan and Afghanistan? I mean, India is a pretty crowded country already, with millions living in poverty. ..