migrants - AIBU to wonder how this will all work out ?

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My understanding of the migrant crisis is that the majority of the migrants are coming from countries which do not, in any way, share or support Western beliefs/values/way of life. They are now flooding into Western Europe in the hundreds of thousands. Nobody knows who they are or their background in their home country. AIBU to wonder what will be the result of this ?

They are fleeing war/violence etc. AIBU to wonder why, when they reach Hungary, which is a 'safe' country, (although economically depressed), is it not good enough and they are determined to reach Germany, UK, Austria etc ?

AIBU to wonder why the majority of these migrants feel it is acceptable to stampede through European law immigration procedures to reach their chosen country rather than wait and be correctly processed in the 'safe country they have landed in ? Surely if a person has landed in a 'safe' country, after witnessing goodness knows what in their home country, they should respect and adhere to the policies and procedures of that country ?

AIBU to wonder how this will all work out ?

I would like to hear your calm and measured thoughts please................

If people are being racist or bigots then it needs to be called out.

There is a lot if shocking racism and bigotry on this thread, and if you can't see that, then you are most likely part of the problem IMO.

Or do you not think it's important to challenge racist attitudes?

No, shame on them for posting in a way that makes them sound like thick, ignorant, racist bigots.

You absolutely knew your comments would not illicit a measured response because your comments weren't measured in the firstplace they were goady and racist. Thats not name calling, thats fact.

• BertieBotts Sat 05-Sep-15 02:25:46 Yes and there are over 300 million working people in the UK all paying taxes. So that's 50 pence each.*

Oh dear.

My posts have been exceedingly measured. What I wanted to write would've probably got me banned from MN. But if you have ignorant, racist views -and are going around saying "Muslims are this, Muslims are that" on threads about the biggest refugee crisis since WWII, then you should be challenged.

Exactly Quiero.

I'm afraid I'm still struggling to comprehend what birth defects through Pakistanis marrying cousins have to do with Syrian refugees. If there are several million Muslims in the world and its only the Pakistanis who have these problems then don't you think it might have something to do with their culture rather than their religion?

It's interesting how no one gets shitty about all the economic migrants who come over from Australia, America, Canada etc. Is it because they are generally nice white people?

Pipbin, you got it.

Technically speaking two generations of my family were consanguine on my father's side. Small gene pool up in Lincolnshire. probably explains a lot

Oh and can some posters educate themselves on the vast difference between arranged and forced marriage please.

of course someone with racist views should be called out. i'm just of the school of thought that a poster doesn't need to resort to name calling. for me, when a person resorts to insults they've lost the battle. thats all. anyway, im disengaging for now.

A lot of unpleasantness and ignorance on this thread. It's important to remember that we're discussing people here. There's a lot of dehumanisation going on. It's easy to distance yourself from the horrific things that are happening if you tell yourself they're not like you. In reality, it could happen to any of us and and I'm sure you'd want someone to care about yours and your family's safety rather than just say "oh they won't fit into our way of life, they're not welcome here".

Most of us just want the law followed. Cameron has quite rightly said he will allow in more - ie women and victims of abuse who are in Turkish camps not young men who have broken the law and pushed into the EU without making a proper application.

We also pay more than any country in the EU to help these people already and we pay where most of them are - in Turkey etc where the help is most needed.

Many posters of course have concerns that allowing in say 1 million more homophobic muslims who regard even things like evidence of women in court as only worth half that of a man's testimony and the like is going to take us back in terms of culture to the position we had before women gained rights to own property, vote, show their legs or even their breasts and the like and might make it harder for us to lampoon, draw cartoons and the like because those lampooned seem more likely then to kill us than laugh or ignore the drawing. It is a huge cultural change in some areas in UK cities and a fascinating challenge.

Cerseirys it was a last ditch attempt from a poster losing the argument and attempting to demonise people, can you imagine what rhetoric they would have used about the refugees from Uganda or Vietnam.

Pipin I think some posters need to be educated full stop, but they don't want to be it's like banging your head against a brick wall, it's only nice when it stops.

Sorry lovelyconverse but one argument people who've been battling racism for years hate is the one that says we should be more polite when dealing with prejudice. It's like when men tell women they should be "nicer" when combatting sexism. If you've been working against this sort of behaviour for all your life you get pretty fucking sick of being told that maybe they'll listen to you if you were just a bit more polite.

You've hardly engaged lovely.

When you consider that RBS paid out £421m in bonuses last year, despite making a 3.5billion loss, £100m suddenly doesn't sound like quite so much money.

Thank God some sensible posters have arrived on this thread since I posted last night. I cannot believe some of the comments I have read, from people who clearly have no compassion, empathy or fucking clue you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves.

The Muslim families which I know are some of the kindest, most sharing people I have ever met. Their version of their religion teaches them to look after their neighbours. They do have different cultural traditions but so do my polish friends.

Perhaps we need to give more consideration to the push factors forcing people out of their homes and less to the supposed pull factors.

Shabby you said The only negative experience I have had is from this one group of people and yes, it has affected my views but I treat as I find. This does not make me thick or racist.

And there's me having lived in a Muslim country for 40 years and Ive only ever been treated with the utmost respect. Im 57 and I even get called to the front of the queue in banks now, and when Im out and about Im addressed as Madam, Mama, or the Arabic equivalent of Grandma.

As for what happened to you - I don't believe you. It just seems to much of a co-incidence for someone with the views you have to have actually experienced it. You come across as someone who's either being reading BNP handouts and perhaps even writing them.

Many posters of course have concerns that allowing in say 1 million more homophobic muslims who regard even things like evidence of women in court as only worth half that of a man's testimony and the like is going to take us back in terms of culture to the position we had before women gained rights to own property, vote, show their legs or even their breasts and the like and might make it harder for us to lampoon, draw cartoons and the like because those lampooned seem more likely then to kill us than laugh or ignore the drawing. It is a huge cultural change in some areas in UK cities and a fascinating challenge.

Oh so because we don't agree with the views of a small amount of extreme people who may or may not be of the religion the migrants/refugee fuck them and let them deal with it then?

What about the Christians who force women to dress modestly (Amish) or try to convert people (Jehovah's Witnesses) or practice arranged marriages (Mormons). Shall we tar all Christians with that brush too?

From a newspaper.

Textile worker Ferhat Alhan hired Mr Kundi three years ago after he first came to Turkey alone.
He told how his friend decided to bring his family over after returning to Syria following the birth of Aylan and asked for help in finding a house.
'He had a very hard life and I helped in any way I could - Aylan slept in my kid's cradle for three to four months.
'Abdullah was the only one working and getting by was difficult and he couldn't stand Istanbul anymore and he sent his family back to Kobane.
'When ISIS attacked Kobane, one shell fell on their house causing the house to be totally destroyed.
'He had to bring the family back to Istanbul. One week they slept at my place, another week at other places, they even slept at the workplace because there was no rental house.
'In the end, they had no choice but to go to the [refugee] camp in Antep [newer name is Gaziantep] and you now the rest.'

Nothing to do with being nice white ppl. I believe ppl have concerns where different cultures and religions don't necessarily go hand in hand. It's way too easy to jump on someone and label them racist and then disable a genuine concern or debate.

No one knows how this will all end. But let's have a bit if compassion eh? No need to bring religion into it, or race, or colour.
These are people
People who need help. I'm sure if you had suffered the horrors they have suffered you would all want someone to help you, to give you somewhere safe, where you have rights, opportunity and a sense of community. Feeling isolated and alone after fleeing in terror is the last thing these people need, having no rights and being unable to provide for their families isnt what they need either.
They need people to say, ok, we get it, things have been shit. Here's a helping hand while the fuckwits back in your country sort themselves out.
(I'm tired so may not make total sense but you get the gist)

I believe ppl have concerns where different cultures and religions don't necessarily go hand in hand.

I don't understand what you you mean there. Are you saying that people (I assume ppl means people) don't like some other people because their religion or culture is different to theirs?