To keep shouting, they are refugees! !!

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And not migrants!!!!

The people who are dying on Europe's shores are not migrants! They are not coming to Europe for jobs, for benefits, because they think it will be an easy life. They are escaping war, ISIS, starvation, rape, death. They just want to live and give their children an opportunity to live.

Stop calling them migrants, as if they just fancy living somewhere else. Brits rearing abroad are migrants. Other eu residents coming here are migrants. The dead baby on a beach in Greece was a refugee.

I dont mind help going to calais but I would rather it go to the people left behind.

I have lots of dc stuff I can give to calais but are there any dc there?

They are obviously a lot safer in Calais than most other places to be honest.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3222405/How-six-wealthiest-Gulf-Nations-refused-single-Syrian-refugee.html

interesting article, amnesty is calling gulf states shameful .

YANBU at all, I hear you. I've signed the petition and the fact that #refugeeswelcome has been trending on twitter is giving me a bit of hope for humanity.

Some time ago IS issued a statement saying they would use the refugee exodus (they mentioned a port in Libya) to infiltrate Europe in numbers, to bring terror here.

I wonder how many of the young men refusing to go to camps, where they would be fingerprinted and vetted, are refusing because they have something to hide.

A handful of IS can kill dozens and cause carnage. Imagine what a few hundred would achieve on your streets.

This is why I believe they MUST go into secure camps and go through the due process before being released into a host country.

of course BM, I don't doubt for a second that ISIS are infiltrating, its perfect cover for them.

Not very eloquent...but my letter:

Mr Cameron

It's a Friday night, I've seen some friends, had a nice dinner, had a long hot shower and now I'm led watching TV in bed knowing I get a lay in tomorrow. Any other day this would be my perfect evening. Something changed that today though. I saw photos of a 3 year old boy who drowned at sea along with his mother and older brother. A 3 year old boy who will never grow up, will never attend school, will never be anything other than the little boy who washed up on the shore.

This wasn't a freak accident, something we can write off as a random tragedy not to be repeated. This will happen again and again and again. People, not migrants or refugees - they are people just like you and I, will continue to risk their lives to reach Europe and some will pay the ultimate price. Who are we to judge them and refuse them a sanctuary from the atrocities they have endured. Can you imagine the horrors they are fleeing where jumping on a moving train or using a dinghy to escape to another country is a feasible option. I can't and I hope I never have to.

These people need our help. These women, men and children don't want our benefits or our houses. They want safety from rape, bombings and death. 11 members of Aylan's family have been murdered by ISIS. They're not risking their lives for £33 a week benefit, they're risking it for freedom. Something this country was supposedly built on.

I'm sending this to you, even thought it will probably do nothing. You probably won't even read it. So what's the point people would ask. The point is I need to do something, anything in fact. I can't sit here and not do anything. If only you felt the same.

Justkeoplodding maybe not eloquent but you should use spell check.

I did use spell checker but clearly it hasn't wored :-(..spelling's not my strong point so can you tell me what's misspelt so I can correct it before sending it tomorrow?

*worked - stupid phone!!

Led in bed in the third line

Even thought in the last paragraph- neither would be picked up by spell checkers

Thank you very much.

Yes ISIS have made their plan very clear which is why logging who enters and tracking them is essential. They are breaking the law by trying to get across the sea to Greece and Italy of course never mind putting their children in danger when they take children with them. There is no reason they cannot go to Iran, Saudi etc depending on whether they are shia or sunni and if kurdish Turkey will have to do or parts of Iraq. Many indeed have already gone to Iraq. The very rich gulf states and the richer African states like Nigeria could take some too.

Alliwant, it should be a lie in not lay in too.

God knows why my username keeps changing!! Thank you again. I probably shouldn't bother trying to write anything clearly :-(

They come from vastly different cultures and governments to ours, look at Assad.

Which is why they need clear and firm leadership, to reassure them they are safe - but they need to follow the protocol now they are in Europe.

We cant expect them to arrive knowing how everything works, knowing what to do and so on.

Its the job of the EU to tell them.

Can anyone imagine the whispers, fears and passing of info going on!

Have you seen the videos of them throwing the food and water they've been given onto the train tracks?

I certanily agree they should be given good official information. Germany's change of stance has caused a big problem - saying whatever your point of entry to the EU we will ignore EU law and take 800,000 of you in and then changing its mind. Hungary is following EU law.

Those who bought a train ticket and who then were thrown off the train or not let on should get a train refund for a start although I suppose you could argue as they illegally entered the country that will cause loss bigger than the cost of the ticket.

They need to know what will happen. If those in Hungary are going to be in camps there for 5 years then they might well want to head back to Syria. If instead Germany is about to let 800,000 of them go there, be provided with council housing and asylum applications dealt with then they need to be told.

If I were in Hungary there now I would try to leave that country. I would not want to be stuck in a Hungarian camp for years.

At the end of the day, you can spout as many statistics, figures and meaningless crap you like to justify why the UK should not shoulder its share of responsibility for the crisis. Whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess.

It doesn't alter the fact that people are fleeing for their lives - something they would not be doing if they didn't feel it was a last resort. They, like anyone else on this planet would do, are hoping to find refuge somewhere they feel safe, and it is a basic principle of humanity and decency to help them. It is really that simple.

Turkey, a country with a history of brutal and oppressive repression of a significant Kurdish population that continues to this day. Yes actually, a Google is all you need to do to understand the basic instinct of what might drive someone to not stay there.

A busy SAHP or someone running from ISIS is not going to be sitting around writing a bloody thesis on the finer points on why it could just be alright to stay in a country where they still feel threatened.

The same for Turkey also applies for countries like Hungary, Serbia, the Czech Republic etc all of which have extreme right-wing, highly refugee-unfriendly policies to the point of xenophobia and racism. I wouldn't want to move there so why would I expect someone else to?

There are just as many idiots in the Netherlands spouting some of the nonsense I've read on this thread. Refugees want to work and build a life for themselves. They will pay taxes like anyone else and make a meaningful contribution to society.If the system cannot cope with it, then it is the system that needs to adapt and change to manage it.If half of Scotland had decided, in the event of a Yes vote, to move south of the border then the same thing would have applied.

You bet I'm going to welcome them. Because if the shoe was on the other foot, I'd hope they'd do the same for me.

You could say the same about the UK. Only 30% of the UK want more immigrants whereas it's 70% in Germany so surely Germany is the best place for themn. Also a lot of them don't want to come here as they see England as an enemy who caused the problems of the Middle East with the USA.