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To ask why people hate fussy eaters?

418 replies

StarlingMurmuration · 29/08/2015 15:06

I can see why people might find it annoying if they've invited a fussy eater to dinner and he or she won't eat anything that's been prepared, but why does it seem to annoy people otherwise, if they're unaffected? I've often seen it said on MN that being a picky eater is "attention seeking", is that what many people think?

Full disclaimer: I have a lot of issues with the texture or smell of certain foods, and have done since I was a child. I'm a lot better now (e.g. up til my late 20s I couldn't bear things with sauce on them, and I had to separate all my food out, I couldn't take a mixed bite of things like veg AND meat) and now I'm always willing to try something new but there are certain things I can't eat without heaving, so I refuse to attempt them. I still find eating at people's houses quite stressful because I worry they'll serve something I don't like, and even eating in restaurants can be hard work because there's often only one or at the most two things I fancy on the menu. I swear it's not attention-seeking - I hate people noticing when I don't clear my plate, or commenting on my fussiness. I'd love to feel able to eat anything, it would make my life so much easier.

OP posts:
debbietheduck · 30/08/2015 12:31

greenwich I believe that processing food at a high temperature (ie cooking it) breaks down / changes the form of the allergen so that someone who is only mildly allergic can then tolerate it. It would still be highly dangerous to someone with a severe allergy though. That will be why you can eat cake, but not omelette. I believe it is the white of the egg specifically that is a problem for egg allergy sufferers. I hope this is useful, or at least interesting..

We see to have got off the subject of fussiness onto actual medical problems with food - not the same thing!

Garrick · 30/08/2015 12:32

Egg white is chemically unstable. Its properties undergo radical changes on cooking - effectively reversing most of its properties - and alters again on emulsification. That's probably why you can have it in cakes but not omelettes or meringues.

LyndaNotLinda · 30/08/2015 12:33

RunAway - you're articulated the discomfort around having dinner with someone who won't eat really well in that post.

Mermaid36 · 30/08/2015 12:34

I eat a lot of vegan stuff due to my dairy allergy - cheese, milk, cream and ice cream, plus chocolate are all plant-based/alternative in our house.....

So yes, I do sit and eat an entire tub of mint choc chip ice cream, but it's made with almond milk instead of cows milk...

liptolinford · 30/08/2015 13:01

I'm a fussy eater. I'd go as far as saying I have a phobia of putting some types of food in my mouth. Phobias are irrational; I can't control it. Saying stuff like "just get over yourself and eat it" is pointless. People would never be so unsympathetic about it to someone anorexic and I would say this is in a similar vein.

I am very good at hiding it because others make a massive to-do about it. Only the people I am closest to know and thankfully they are happy to not make a massive deal out of it. In the same way, for example, I wouldn't make a big deal of forcing someone with social anxiety to go to a party etc.

Rhine · 30/08/2015 13:14

It was defintely just regular ice cream, made with regular milk from regular cows. Well Italian cows anyway.

Very creamy and absolutey delicious, but someone with a real dairy allergy would have probably been quite unwell after stuffing themselves with it the way my acquaintance did. She also eats yoghurt and drinks milk in her tea/coffee.

She IMO doesn't have an allergy to cheese she just doesn't like it which is perfectly acceptable, so why lie and say you've got an allergy when you haven't? It's insulting to people with real food allergies!

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 30/08/2015 13:33

"From bricks' posts, it seems she lives in a world where it's normal for people to refuse some or most of meals."

In my world, I plan the meals for the week ahead, so I can make sure I have all the things I need for them. And sometimes dh or I get to a day and just don't fancy what's on the plan, or want to change an element of it (changing chilli and rice to chilli and nachos, for example).

I think this is perfectly normal, and pretty closely equivalent to me asking brick what things she can eat! planning a meal around them, and her not wanting to eat every single thing I had made. If I make a meal for friends, I make sure there are a reasonable number of choices of side dish (different veg, potatoes etc) and if one of my guests doesn't take something of everything, that is absolutely fine by me.

Oysterbabe · 30/08/2015 13:45

Garrick no one is claiming that people in third world countries don't have food intolerances, what we're saying is they aren't fussy eaters. They won't turn down the only available food because it smells funny or has a weird texture.
Being fussy is very much a first world problem.

Zucker · 30/08/2015 13:54

Why are people even aware of the fussiness in an adult?

That's where the attention seeking thing that annoys so many comes into play. I don't broadcast to all and sundry what I like and dislike when out to dinner. Yet the world and her husband is aware of what the fussy can tolerate or force down their gullets.

OurBlanche · 30/08/2015 14:02

Why are people even aware of the fussiness in an adult?

Yes, because some adults act like 2 year olds and demand that the world revolve around their petty twattishness. And they sometimes marry people who shine a light on their delicate preciousness, adding to the shiny, happy misery they dish out to others.

shishagrrrl · 30/08/2015 14:39

People hate fussy eaters because food is not just about nutrition. It's about socialising, it's how people connect, how friendships are strengthened, relationships are made and even how business is conducted. It's not just about the food - it's the event, the routines and rituals, it's all the culture around eating and how it is constructed in society.

Recently DH and I met a new member in our social circle but then found out he was both vegan and teetotal (the latter because he said he was getting too old for two day hangovers - well can't he drink in moderation and have no hangover? Anyway). Basically we have decided that it is just more effort than it's worth to try to build a friendship - think about it - you can't get him to pop round for a cup of tea, can't pop out for a beer, can't make him a birthday cake, if he comes for dinner you have to make him a whole separate meal - everything is restricted by what he can eat and drink which is just RIDICULOUS.

This is why (as well as fussy eaters) I also find the idea of having a gastric band fitted absolutely horrifying.
Food and eating and sharing meals together is such a huge part of our lives and is one of the great pleasures of life.
It's important to be able to enjoy food.
The thought of having to have your stomach reduced to such a tiny size, that you are reduced to eating mere teaspoonfuls of food at meal times, to me, is barbaric.
Where's the joy in that?
To have to accept that you will never, ever, ever be able to sit down and enjoy a meal with family and friends, ever again. Shock

clicketyclick66 · 30/08/2015 14:51

I became vegetarian because the look of meat made me sick. We lived on a farm where an animal was killed every year, was hanging in the garage for 2 weeks (the two halves on seperate hooks) Every time I took my bike for school I had to see it - bleurgh! Then it was cut up, put in bags and placed in the freezer. And don't get me started on the smells that would emanate from the kitchen - roast beef and lamb make me want to throw up!
But I now eat chicken, minced beef and sliced ham. Relations get irritated that I'm so picky. My brother said recently he'd love if I was stuck in a war zone or famine ridden country - then I'd eat all meats out of desperation! I absolutely would not! Very charming I know - but he is lovely otherwise.
I went to a wedding back in 1995. There was only one meal being served and it was lamb. I asked for an alternative, I was offered a few pieces of macaroni with sieved tomatoes thrown on it. It was disgusting. But others at the wedding said I deserved it because I wouldn't attempt the 'lovely lamb'!

GoogleBoggle · 30/08/2015 16:40

Brick you actually sound like you have a lot of anxiety around food, and really the answer is that you should seek treatment (something like CBT would be good for that) but what you shouldn't do is just avoid it, rule out lots of foods forever and just expect everyone else to work around something which is not a physical medical issue.

You asked why people don't like fussy eaters and you have an answer now - albeit not one you like. Now are you going to go on being 'fussy' or are you going to do something about it?

GoogleBoggle · 30/08/2015 16:43

shishagrrrl You don't sound like you really understand how gastric bands work - people can still eat normal meals with their friends, just smaller portions than before. Also, you do realise that people get gastric bands in order to save their lives from a life-threatening eating disorder called morbid obesity, don't you? Better to not be able to share huge meals with friends than be dead from a heart attack. This is in no way related to fussiness.

NinjaLeprechaun · 30/08/2015 17:24

"Why is it always vegetables that are a problem for fussy eaters?"
For me it's mostly a texture issue. I will eat almost any vegetable in quantity if it's processed into a blended soup, but then can't even bear to put the same vegetable in my mouth if it's whole. Which probably confuses people further, and makes it seem like I'm picking and choosing about when I don't like a food.

I'm also another one who can eat some foods if they're cooked, but not raw, because whatever it is I'm intolerant to 'cooks out'. Although, oddly, I'm the opposite with lactose - anything make with warm/hot milk (for instance, cocoa) will make me feel quite ill, but I can drink cold milk.

"They won't turn down the only available food because it smells funny or has a weird texture."
Yes, they will. Or, in one real-life example I was given, feed it to the cows because it doesn't resemble 'people food' to them. This was in India, so they weren't even eating the cows later.
In fact, that is a perfect illustration - if the 'eat anything if you're hungry enough' argument was true, there would be far fewer cows in India.

DinosaursRoar · 30/08/2015 18:17

With vegetables - they often have strong, clear flavours - in my experience, no vegetable eating fussy people often also only want plain foods - potatoes, blander, plain meats, white pasta/bread, nothing too strong in flavour. Vegetables tend to have flavour, which is often sour.

I do believe that being fussy as an adult is a 1st world problem, but then children who refuse the only food available, aren't offered alternatives in countries where there is no alternative and sadly are part of the high infant mortality rates.

MerryMarigold · 30/08/2015 19:41

"Why is it always vegetables that are a problem for fussy eaters?"

Ds1 likes broccoli, green beans, peas, sweetcorn, carrot (raw), cucumber, baked beans (if they count).

Meat, he only likes chicken.

Sweet stuff, virtually anything. The power of sugar.

maddening · 30/08/2015 19:54

Lack of empathy, bad hosts and those that see a meal out with friends as a culinary experience and resent in a quite selfish manner that Their friends and family don't share their tastes or opinions of food rather than a chance to all sit and enjoy a meal together imo

mathanxiety · 30/08/2015 20:51

Mathanxiety
"I wonder why anyone would think they should have the freedom to say no to dishes that someone has taken time and trouble to prepare in hopes of providing an enjoyable evening for all."

Brickoverfence
"Seriously??

If someone thinks that the only way they can provide an enjoyable evening to all is to have every part of every dish eaten by every person (how do they police this at buffets, I wonder?), then I think they have their entertaining priorities a bit skewed.

What do you do if you entertain elderly relatives with tiny appetites - do you think that they shouldn't have the freedom to say no to food, either? Or is that just for people whose food choices you suspect of being unreasonable?"

So much for nuance. Not even nuance actually. Taking something that was clear and turning it into something else entirely.

I was talking about saying no to dishes that a fussy eater has said he or she enjoys or can eat, in response to an inquiry by the host, and that have therefore been prepared by the host. I did not say anyone has to eat every part of every dish but I have suggested that a guest should have the grace to eat at least part of what they said they could or would enjoy. What I want to explore is why you think you should be free to turn down the meat dish or the veg or rice or pasta or whatever else there was that you yourself had said you could eat or would feel comfortable eating and why the idea of freedom is so important to you that it gets in the way of other important elements of social interaction such as manners or consideration for the time, expense and effort someone else has expended in order for your meal to appear on the table in front of you.

People don't ask theoretical questions of their prospective guests when they are hosting -- they genuinely want to help you have an enjoyable time and therefore don't want to prepare food that you won't/can't eat, or waste their own time or money on food that won't be eaten. Breaking bread together is what a meal with other people is about, not everyone except one partaking in the meal. This is because the shared experience of the food is what eating with others is all about. It's not about the food but the communality. There is nothing selfish or controlling in the desire to feed someone else a meal they might enjoy and to share the experience of eating it with them. If you feel there is, then you have the option to refuse invitations that involve meals.

What I don't understand is why a fussy eater thinks there is force involved here or why freedom trumps manners when it comes to eating. Presumably freedom takes a back seat to manners if you are at the theatre or the cinema or at a funeral or waiting for a bus. You might love to blow bubbles with your bubble gum or sing along at the opera or push your way to the door of the bus when it arrives, but most people accept that what you precisely want in those situations is not what you can have a reasonable expectation of getting.

Why should eating with others be an exception to what society reasonably expects by way of setting aside one's own individual pov for the sake of a greater aim? Why is the arena of eating seen as the one where society's demands are considered unreasonable when we accept all sorts of restrictions on individual freedom in other areas, including things we do to our bodies and with them -- clothing, hygiene, high heeled shoes, bras, use of sanpro, nail polish and fake nails, etc.

Liara · 30/08/2015 21:00

^Garrick no one is claiming that people in third world countries don't have food intolerances, what we're saying is they aren't fussy eaters. They won't turn down the only available food because it smells funny or has a weird texture.
Being fussy is very much a first world problem.^

You are completely wrong.

I knew a mother living in a shanty town in a third world country who drove herself crazy trying to feed one of her 7 dc who was a fussy eater. She just wouldn't eat most of what she could come up with and she was very severely underweight as a result. Another of her dc was coeliac, and trying to cater to both of them on zero income and living on handouts and out of soup kitchens was almost a full time job.

In fact, once someone took all 7 dc to McD's for an outing and all but one turned down the burger 'because it tasted too greasy'. And yes, these children go hungry on a regular basis.

Liara · 30/08/2015 21:02

"Why is it always vegetables that are a problem for fussy eaters?"

They aren't. I can eat pretty much all vegetables but am very fussy otherwise. But vegetables do constitute a large part of the variety of food, so it is most likely that some vegetables will be a problem for most people who have a restricted diet.

Liara · 30/08/2015 21:06

Genuine question - how do people cater to guests when they cook for them?

I would normally have at least 4 or 5 things on offer in any meal, and would be most unbothered if my guests ate all, some, or just one. That is even if they were all prepared to be acceptable to them, which I would do as standard to someone who is only eating with us occasionally (if I had e.g. a vegan friend over for a week or two I would make the meals vegan but have eggs/meat/fish/cheese available for anyone who wanted to add some to their meal)

This whole 'you must eat everything that is offered to you' just seems a bit weird - so if there are three desserts you have to eat some of all of them? What if you are full?

BabyGanoush · 30/08/2015 21:21

Nobody says you must eat everything that's offered to you.

Eat what you eat, just don't make an almighty boring fuss.

Straw men...

shishagrrrl · 30/08/2015 21:31

shishagrrrl You don't sound like you really understand how gastric bands work - people can still eat normal meals with their friends, just smaller portions than before. Also, you do realise that people get gastric bands in order to save their lives from a life-threatening eating disorder called morbid obesity, don't you? Better to not be able to share huge meals with friends than be dead from a heart attack. This is in no way related to fussiness.

Well I must be watching the wrong programes, because all the ones I've seen have patients saying they can ''only manage a few teaspoons of mush from now on....'' ''If I eat any more I feel sick'' Confused

Better to not be able to share huge meals with friends than be dead from a heart attack. This is in no way related to fussiness.

No need to eat huge meals, but the surgeons (whilst making it smaller) should still make it just big enough so that it can still handle a normal sized meal, when dining out, eg, small starter, main and a small pudding.
I don't get why they make the stomach so tiny.

Maybe they make it too small to start with, because stomachs have the ability to stretch? That could be it. Hmm

shishagrrrl · 30/08/2015 21:33

At least then, by not making the stomach too small, they are not negatively affecting and destroying a main part of the person's social life.

You can tell I enjoy preparing, eating and sharing food with other people.
I can't imagine giving up that social aspect of my life.