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To think I can wear and buy whatever I want?

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Whoiswrong · 15/08/2015 14:34

I have just got into a fight with one of my very good friends and a whole load of feelings were let out and I'm not sure which one of us was reasonable and should apologise, but I feel quite angry and attacked.

I went to visit her (along with another of our mutual close friend) at her place for a girls night in. I finished work late so went straight to hers , which is quite usual anyway. I get there, she looks me up and down, rolls her eyes and walks off 5 the kitchen. I shouted after and asked what the problem was. She said and I quote "is that a new bag? Again? " I ofcourse answered honestly and said yes and then got excited with my other friend who was checking out my bag.

Anyway, this led to friend A talking about how I always show off and buy ridiculously expensive things when I know that she is struggling and can't afford it. She then started listing all the things I have recently bought and how much they cost.

The most annoying part which made me angry was that she started going on about how she works 2 jobs and much harder than me and yet can't afford all these things and is struggling to feed her kids. She knows damn well that I work very hard in a pressured role and have made many sacrifices for my career. Anyway, after I also said some home truths, I stormed out and I believe friend B made her excuses to leave too. Please tell me she is in the wrong and I am justified to feel angry !

OP posts:
chippednailvarnish · 15/08/2015 23:55

This thread reminds me of Christine Lagarde being appointed head of the IMF, standing posing for photos carrying a Hermes bag.
I'm sure she didn't realise that carrying a handbag that costs more than some people earn, when your job is to deal with counties who need to borrow to survive, was massively inappropriate.

You're sounding very similar OP.

Gabilan · 15/08/2015 23:55

Struggling to understand how anyone who is a kind or nice person can justify spending thousands of pounds on a crappy BAG when so many people in this world are living hand to mouth. So shallow and selfish

I don't mind people spending money on bags. I am annoyed by a social and economic system that allows the wealth gap to become ever greater. If you've got the money to buy an expensive bag and that's what floats your boat then fine. I don't give all my disposable income to charities.

However, if you have a bag that retails for around £8k, whether or not it was a gift and whether or not that's what it actually cost whoever did buy it, and you take that bag into the house of someone whose really struggling financially, don't be surprised if they're a bit peeved.

foslady · 15/08/2015 23:56

You might be happy to help your friend, but have you any idea how crushing it is to be in that position?

No one sets off in life to 20 odd years later be struggling every day. It's bloody hard and grinds you down, and much as you want to be Pollyanna and play the glad game , it's frigging hard to do it 24 hours a day.

I am the poorest one of my friends. I'm also the only single parent. 99.9% of the time I am happy for them, their happy lifestyles and that hard work and life choices have paid off for them, but that 0.1%, yes, I admit, I DO think why the hell didn't it work out for me? I've worked bloody hard too all my life, when is it going to be my turn? Only instead, I smile and say 'That's lovely for you, so happy it's worked out/got what you'd hoped for/etc' because the I am - I'm just sad that no matter how hard I try it never wants to happen for me.

Your friend you say had not had the closure of divorce (maybe can't afford it, concerned she will have to sell the family home if she does divorce - not for us to ask) and basically has been in a two year grind. Give her a break - the cost of that bag is a life changing amount to her now - it's the equivalent of a bloody handbag to you. (and a symbol of what life should have been for her)

Gabilan · 15/08/2015 23:57

Who's. Should have previewed that post.

JoyceDivision · 16/08/2015 00:00

why the aggro?

I really don't get this. Poster has item of high value. Friend has tight financial circumstances. Friend flips at sight of bag, poster ripped into for enjoying bag.

So what??

One of my friends ears at least 70k. I earn about 9k Blush

But, I get to spend a lot of time with dcs, and by chance friends dcs helpoing her out asshe prefers her dcs to be with her friends rather than booking in with childcare.

For birthday friend treat herself to a posh handbag, about 1k.... did I begrudge her? No. She earns her money, she can show it. Is she still a fab person? Yes. Is she banned from displaying wealth near me? Noooo... because that would be feckin mental....

why should op explain charitable donations... sothe the brow of friend having a wobbler?

Do we say low earners /people in debtshould have their debt passed to higher earners? No. So why imply that highearners should explain how they would share out their wealth?

As long as someone is a genuine honest person how they spend what they haveearnedis noneof any one elses business, surely?

Gabilan · 16/08/2015 00:01

I really want to know exactly what is on that bag!

It's not really that interesting, I promise. It's just that because it's about sex some people find it embarrassing, which I then think is funny, because I'm like that.

apricotdanish · 16/08/2015 00:02

I don't mind people spending money on bags. I am annoyed by a social and economic system that allows the wealth gap to become ever greater. If you've got the money to buy an expensive bag and that's what floats your boat then fine. I don't give all my disposable income to charities.

I agree, but the people running that system are who we should project our anger towards as opposed to the OP for carrying a bag.
Furthermore earlier the OP had stated her friend has borrowed from her bag collection on many occasions, so evidently they hadn't offended her then.

PaulAnkaTheDog · 16/08/2015 00:04

I shall try and remove the oil stains from my ancient LV wot I bot myself and wot is now as deeply non-U as a bolter. although I'm surprised they even let me in the shop as opposed to a suitably distant relative

Sometimes its better to be understated about things PaulAnka rather than telling every man and his dog about the detail.

Errrrrrm... What?

Good for you having designer bags you waste. Is it nice to spend the silly money on them, just to treat them like a £30 thing from the high street?

Strokethefurrywall · 16/08/2015 00:17

Argh posted a big reply and lost it.
PaulAnkaTheDog probably about a fifth of my salary and I volunteer with tr humane society, bake sales, marathon for cancer charity.
If it's something close to my heart I'll donate more.

BackInTheRealWorld · 16/08/2015 00:23

If I was loaded I wouldn't continue shopping in primark. I really don't get a lot of the posts on this thread.

PaulAnkaTheDog · 16/08/2015 00:40

Stroke that is honestly lovely. It's great to hear about people making good money and giving good money back to those who need it.

BuggersMuddle · 16/08/2015 01:05

Hrm, my initial thought was YANBU...however Birkin.

I don't buy many clothes, but I do buy expensive ones (and often buy the in sales), so I wouldn't think twice about rocking up to a mates house wearing a pair of Gucci loafers / Rag & Bone boots or toting a Mulberry handbag.

Having said that, an obviously new Birkin with someone I knew was struggling. They shouldn't have a go, but there is something of a gulf in price between that and the examples upthread. I felt awkward enough pitching up at some friends houses with my engagement ring (which isn't really the sort of thing you can take on and off without comment, unless there's an obvious reason).

So, overall, I think your friend sounds envious and was unreasonable. Perhaps your bag was just the straw that broke the camels back. But on the other hand, it's a Birkin...unless you're about to tell us her stress is because she can't manage the nanny & the gardener / private school / generally upper MC lifestyle, then you maybe should've left it at home if you know he's hard up.

LegoComplex · 16/08/2015 01:19

i think yabu op.

VinoTime · 16/08/2015 02:08

I struggled financially for years until quite recently. And I mean the kind of struggling where I once had to choose between eating or heating my freezing cold council flat during a Scottish winter that saw -18. It was not fun. I had to put my 2yo DD into bed wearing a thick, padded snowsuit.

My best friend comes from money. And I'm talking seriously ridiculous wealth. She runs up the credit cards and her dad pays them off. She's had her house bought and paid for and her father buys her an expensive new car every year. She has a wardrobe to rival Victoria B and more disposable cash than you could ever comprehend having.

Not once have I ever begrudged her anything. My past struggles were never her fault. She didn't cause them. I may have gotten a bit of the green eyed monster in me from time to time, because I'm human and it's natural, but it was never present in a spiteful way - more of a fleeting, dreamy wouldn't it be lovely to have... way.

The fact of the matter is (and always has been): she's my friend. Stuff doesn't matter. I don't care if she comes dripping in diamonds when she next visits. I care about her. It doesn't matter what she's wearing or what she's driving or how much money she has in the bank. What matters to me is all the funny stories she brings with her of all the dopey things she's done since we last met. What matters is how much she loves my daughter and the way she dotes on her - I could sit and watch them together for hours. What matters is knowing I have her shoulder to cry on whenever I need it, and vice versa. What matters is being so in tune with this person that we can finish each others sentences. It's the good times, the bad times and all the times in between that you share, that count. That's what a friendship is.

Who the fuck cares about a bag? A bag!

OP, why don't you give her a call and ask if you can pop round for a coffee? Try and sort things out. Take her some flowers (I'm guessing nobody's bought her any in a while) and tell her to spill the beans. Have a heart to heart and fix your friendship. Your bag may have cost thousands, but good friends are priceless and usually very hard to come by Flowers

SniffsAndSneezes · 16/08/2015 02:51

Couple of things here bugging me. First of all to all the sanctimonious folks wanging on with their astonishment that some people like bags... jeez, get over it. There are days when I get more enjoyment from my lovely little Mulberry collection than I do from my boyfriend! That doesn't make me shallow.

Secondly, this idea that hard work=riches and poor choices=poor income. Let's disabuse ourselves of the notion that effort and reward are always relative- nurses work a damn shit sight harder than footballers do but it'd take a nurse a decade to earn what some footballers make in a week (OP I'm not suggesting for a moment that you don't actually work hard or deserve every penny that you earn).

I can see both sides here. When you have something lovely and new you want to have it with you, so you can give it occasional loving glances and feel a little bit more special and have a little extra spring in their step. I'm not gonna judge the OP for enjoying her bag. So yes, she took it to work with her. Hardly a crime.

If this outburst of the less fortunate friend's is out of character then that to me would suggest that she is under pressures at the minute that maybe she hasn't shared with the OP and their other friend. I've been in the situation where I seemed to always be the one out of my friends who was struggling or facing some difficulty or other, and I just stopped telling them about it because I just didn't want to be that friend with all the problems. I congratulated and celebrated with them when they got promoted, I ooohed and ahhhed over whatever lovely thing they'd treated themselves to, and I tried to pretend to them that my life wasn't just one fucking nightmare after another. Maybe that's what she's been doing.

In this case it seems that the sight of the beautiful Birkin which represents the kind of lifestyle that she will probably never have was just the straw that broke the camels back, and the OPs friend lashed out. Yes it was wrong of her to do this, but envy and resentment are very human traits that every single poster on this thread will have felt at some time or another, so let's not judge. The personal comments that she made about the OP and her DH were unfair and unkind, but from what we've learned of their friendship it sounds as though she was just lashing out and didn't actually mean it- it was coming from a place of unhappiness at her own situation and she was just projecting it onto the OP.

The thing is though OP, you responded in kind. Instead of just walking away after her rant, which would have allowed you both the time to cool off and her to come to her senses and apologise, you retaliated with some things which true or not will have been very hurtful to her, and it sounds like she's already in a bit of a vulnerable state. That's why, in my opinion, you should apologise first. I know you didn't start the whole thing, but you delivered the knockout punch. Talk to her, and see if she has any other problems going on that perhaps she hadn't told you about. And, once you've got the bottom of it and cleared the air, move on.

Oh, and Elke- you need to tell me the magic trick for not paying full price for a Birkin!!

BoyScout · 16/08/2015 07:07

Lovely post sniffs

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 16/08/2015 07:25

OMG, this thread went off didn't it. Just because of the type of bag. I couldn't give a rat's arse what sort of bag it was (actually wouldn't know if I saw it, I'm really not into handbags) and it's barely relevant to the situation.

But that's ok - keep telling the OP how shallow and selfish she is to have received a fucking gift from her DH. Just like Friend A, in fact. Telling the OP that she and her DH are not good people because of a fucking handbag. Ridiculous.

LavenderLeigh · 16/08/2015 07:31

I think you sound like a lovely friend , OP and that your reaction was very human. Long day at work, you turn up at friends house and she immediately has a go at you, over a bag your DH bought you as a present. Not even something you bought yourself.
Tbh it sounds as if her resentment has been simmering for a while.
Her circumstances sound crappy, but you've been a good friend to her and tried your best to help out.
She lashed out at you and you lashed back. Her crappy circumstances don't give her a free pass to belittle her friends, nor are they your fault.
As for those saying you should not have had the bag with you, I noticed that you used the word "childless". people struggling to conceive have to contend with the fact their friends and family have children all the time and don't expect the children to be hidden away or their friends never to talk about them.
Good on you for deciding to apologise. Have you spoken to friend B about it, to get her take on the situation?

Phineyj · 16/08/2015 07:46

VinoTime, you gave me something in my eye...

BudgeUp · 16/08/2015 08:18

YANBU. Your friend was out of line to take out her jealousy on you. You're not responsible for her life and you've helped her a lot. I'm the poorest of my friends and would never think to berate them for their successes.

Having said that, the fact that she was spoiling for a fight as soon as you walked in does show that she is going through some stuff, is depressed about her situation and consumed with envy. Add to that the anxiety that a lot of people are feeling right now about the changes that are on the way and I would say your friend is suffering and needs a bit of understanding.

In the interests of friendship I think you need to sit down with her, tell her you love her and listen to her problems. At the end of the day it's not about who was right or wrong but about saving your friendship and supporting each other in crappy times.

Gabilan · 16/08/2015 08:35

I couldn't give a rat's arse what sort of bag it was (actually wouldn't know if I saw it, I'm really not into handbags) and it's barely relevant to the situation.

The argument between the OP and her friend came about largely because of jealousy regarding their financial circumstances. Now, if someone walks into your house carrying a bag that would be a week's wages for you, you'll probably just sigh and suck it up. If someone walks into your house carrying a bag that's worth more like 6 months' wages, that might just be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

If I wander around with a £200 bag and a friend complains that I'm flaunting my wealth, they are BU. If I wander around with an £8000 bag and a friend has a jealous hissy fit, the balance starts to tip more towards me BU. We live in a society in which bankers and footballers are paid obscene amounts of money whilst nurses and care workers struggle. A birkin is more likely to remind us of this fact than something from Russell and Bromley.

bigbumtheory · 16/08/2015 08:37

Good luck talking to your friend op. She shouldn't have blown up at you, it was unreasonable but sounds like she's at the end of a money tether and since its unusual I would be worried about her.

You were.unreasonable to say those things but its also understandable given her sudden anger to you. Nasty things often come out in arguments and unpleasant things were said by both of you.

Have you spoken to your other friend? Maybe she knows more now too?

foslady · 16/08/2015 08:45

Just a thought OP - in the latest budget cuts anyone on a Tax Credits got severely clobbered. I don't know of anyone who is having them cut by less than £1000. Whatever you may think about benefits that's a massive chunk of income to loose at our financial level, and working the hours I do (full time) I don't see how I can make the money up, I will just have to pull the belt in tighter, so yes, if she's working and has dc's then her financial worries will have gone up.

dustarr73 · 16/08/2015 08:46

It took the op a long time to tell us what bag it was.If she was as shallow amd rubbing in your face it would have been in the first post.

I have to laugh that adult people shouldnt be allowed to buy anything over a certain threshold in case it uspsets somebody.The friend is in the wrong if she hadnt rolled eye and made teh smart comments and the op wouldnt have had a go back.
People have to to realise if they can dish it out they should be able to take it.Its not the ops fault her friend is struggling and as she said before she has helped out.

Tryharder · 16/08/2015 09:02

Your 'home truths' were unreasonable and nasty. People make choices in life which either work out for them - or don't - as the case may be and you were incredibly rude to point that out. I hope your own choices don't ever come back to bite you on the bum.

Obviously your friend WBU - she sounds incredibly jealous - but you were equally rude.

Clearly the bag in question is 'well known'. I had been going to suggest you should have told her you got it from a charity shop but clearly that wasn't an option it's just a bag