'The only way we've sorted a sleep prob in this house is controlled crying' - fuck off!!

[Smataya]

I text friend who has two under two how hard it's been of late with Ds 11 months just not sleeping. I've explained before he is just not a sleeper and likes to be close at night, wakes a lot for milk and that I'm doing attachment parenting. She knows how against cc I am and I will not ever leave my child to cry. Ds has not slept for longer than an hour since he was 5 months which is starting to take its toll, but as I say, he's just not a sleeper and it's tough.

Why the f is she doing this pa bull shit about cc over text?? She's been like eerr have you tried sleep training to me before and I just don't want to hear it. Her two sleep through and I just find it smug- she's got lucky and now claiming its all down to cc. Am I justified in texting back to say ftfo to the far side of fuck?!?!

And I'm a mother and entirely agree with Purple.

Shame some people can't understand that their way is exactly that - their way. Not THE way.

You are sneering Disappointed. It's most unbecoming.

That would be your own interpretation, Swallowed.

Sneering and obtuse!

It's an interesting combination....

Some nights he screamed, but for little reason. On those nights I slept with a pillow over my head so I couldn't hear him....

Tells me all I need to know.

Wow Disappointed, are you deliberately trying to come across as a total twat?

Like I say, everyone has their own way.

Why are you so keen to jump on me? Insecurity at your parenting choices?

andywarhols again, saying that you personally wouldn't use cc does not mean your children can only sleep after being rocked/ fed/ sang to for hours. There are other ways too you know for all the age ranges, which some of us prefer.
Following on from your point though, if I had a baby or child that needed two hours rocking/ feeding/ singing and they were still awake, then even if cc was a method I'd use, I would be thinking they were unwell, hungry, not tired, upset etc which to me is the last time I would think it appropriate.

You are being unpleasant.

I don't like unpleasantness.

I'm happy to stick to the OP though - why do you think your way of dealing with a non settling child is better than mine?

Predominantly because I know a bit about evolution and biology dear, and there's plenty of research to suggest that CC, especially of very young babies, is potentially harmful.

Wonder how long humans would have survived if our cave-dwelling ancestors - who needed to be alert in order to survive - had decided to stick baby as far away as possible and ignore their only form of communication.........

But you're making things up now.

No one has said they move a very young baby as far away as possible and consistently ignore their screaming.

It's easy to find someone to argue with if you invent the things you think they have said.

No one has suggested CC is suitable for small babies !

Purple said it wasn't suitable so no idea why you called her a disgrace.

From the person that blocked out her child's screams with a pillow.

That's really likely to endear people to you.

She said she'd done it with 6 week old babies!

Yes, I parent the way I think is best at the time. There were reasons for the pillow

Given that you don't know me, I didn't expect you to know this.

There always has to be one. As if parenting isent hard enough as it is. It is fine to disagree if not use AP or CC but I cannot stand smugness and rudeness. Fir the record, ds did not like being held too long or in our bed, quite fine in a cot, btw, he was in his own room at 1 year. Yes he wasent a crier anyway, give him a bottle at night and straight to sleep, even better when he entered his own room. Dd was so different we had to sleep train her fir our own sanity and I had PND, we started at a year when she too entered her own room. It was the best thing ever, she cried, left it for a min, I went in to sooth her and say calming things, went out, repeated for about an hour until she fell asleep. Next night the same, and the following night we did bedtime routine and she fell straight asleep, I felt human again.

Andy, if you're having to rock/feed/sing to a baby or a child for 2 hours then you're probably trying to put them to bed 2 hours too early (or possibly an hour too late). If you establish a good bedtime routine, at a time they're actually ready to sleep, they are used to going to sleep quickly when you finish the story and turn the lights out. It really didn't take much time (unless the parent accidentally fell asleep too!). At some point I just said "I'm going to do the washing up now, okay" and they said okay and fell asleep on their own. No putting of feet down required, maybe a little negotiation sometimes but certainly not leaving them angry or upset or crying.

Would you leave a 7 yr old crying themselves to sleep? If a 7 yr old is crying at bedtime something's wrong, something's upset them, I certainly wouldn't leave them on their own to cry unless they asked me to.

Speaking as a child who had enforced bedtimes, I never did learn to say "I'm tired I'm going to bed now", and still struggle with getting to sleep. I love that my children see bedtime as a friendly thing not an imposed thing and will ask to go to bed if they're tired earlier than usual. Cue 100 CC'ers saying their kids do the same thing; but as it didn't work for me and my kids are related to me, I felt it was something worth avoiding.

We all do the best we can at the time. I think we can presume that everyone on MN is basically trying their best.

Given this, we could perhaps give each other the benefit of the doubt sometimes

Purplepumpkins 17:07

"My latest baby is 8 months had her from a day old at 6 weeks we sleep trained her with the CC and she's a happy little girl who loves her naps."

Worst- purplepumpkin considers herself a "sleep expert".
I wouldn't let her within a mile of my babies.

Well luckily for you four you aren't being forced to employ her.

So you can calm down

I don't believe for one moment that purplepumkins is a sleep expert.

What does it matter what she says then four?

Purple then clearly goes on to say 6 weeks is too young- do you think that she might have meant CC at 6 months and the 6 weeks is a typo ?

I think 6 months is also too young btw