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To wonder how many cover ups there are and what we're not being told?

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EmeraldThief · 21/07/2015 21:28

I've never really believed in conspiracy theories and thought people who thought there is any kind of truth in them were a bit odd/strange, but since the whole Jimmy Savile thing Im finding myself wondering more and more about what we're not being told things. Years ago I used to post on another forum and people on there were always hinting that Savile was a pervert and then the moderators would come along and ban people for libel and posts would get removed, but it turns out it was all true.

Now today I've just watched an Australian current affairs show attempting to expose a pedophile ring at the very heart of the British establishment, why aren't the UK media doing this? I feel so disturbed. What aren't we being told?

AIBU to wonder how many cover ups there are actually are? Everything is starting to feel a bit unreal, like one big lie.

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Athenaviolet · 22/07/2015 21:02

Imo there are some daft conspiracy theories/theorists who are given a lot of publicity (david icke) deliberately to discredit any 'conspiracy' theory.

achieve15 · 22/07/2015 21:06

I remembered the UK alien thing - Rendlesham Forest
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendlesham_Forest_incident

ROARmeow · 22/07/2015 21:07

Don't know if he's already been mentioned, as I've not RTFT, but Chris Spivey is a total eye-opener. He swears a lot and many of his images are very gory, but very very interesting website, FB & Twitter feed.

paxtecum · 22/07/2015 21:08

Stranger still, Jimmy Saville used to spend New Year at Chequers with Margaret and Dennis Thatcher.

GeorgeYeatsAutomaticWriter · 22/07/2015 21:10

There were death records for the grave in Tuam - the local historian Catherine Corless obtained 796 of them. Causes of death ranged from malnutrition to childhood illnesses. Infant mortality rates, as posted upthread, were very high in these Mother and Baby Homes.

misstiredbuthappy · 22/07/2015 21:11

The Coleman Experience is a good website for consiparcey theories. Some of it is quite sickening.

I can't find anything on the Queens honeymoon though ?

oodathunki · 22/07/2015 21:11

I've been lurking on MN for a while now but have decided to join because of this thread. I think it's great that so many people are questioning what is being shown to us in the media. Going slightly off from the original topic, I was watching The Story of Tracey Beaker on CBBC with my son a few weeks ago when my attention was caught by the name of the childrens home in the programme Elm Tree House, surely someone at the BBC would have noticed the similarity between Elm Tree House and Elm Guest House, I thought it was in very poor taste considering what went on at the BBC with Jimmy Saville and others. But then the conspiracy theorist in me came out and thought perhaps they kept the name Elm Tree House as a bit of an in-joke hoping no-one would notice, i don't know, maybe because i've realised that we're being lied to a lot in the news i'm starting to see a conspiracy in everything.

achieve15 · 22/07/2015 21:19

I don't think it's right that a story written years ago should have to change that detail because of Elm Guest House! Poor author, she won't have known a thing when she wrote it and even if she did, I must admit "elm" does not automatically make me think of that!

Garlick · 22/07/2015 21:28

The Middlesbrough one didn't actually come to nothing. However insufficient action was taken. I had a copy of a report somewhere; not sure whether I've deleted it since. I seem to remember the inquiry was to be reviewed lately.

I believe the Orkney stories. There are groups of people who dress up their lovely bonding rituals over the violent sexual abuse of children as satanic or other forms of quasi-religious ceremony. I suppose it makes them feel extra special. Some of them seem to believe it does bring them extraordinary powers, riches, and immunity. I rather feel they get that from being part of a powerful underground network with significant blackmail opportunities, but whatever.

oodathunki · 22/07/2015 21:29

I know, I did wonder if I was overthinking it.

achieve15 · 22/07/2015 21:32

Garlick - what I heard was that there was no evidence of anyone doing anything Satanic but that the academic gown had been something that raised the suspicions of the social workers?

puzzled by Queen's honeymoon now....

Garlick · 22/07/2015 21:32

Queen & 10 kids. No idea what to make of it, apart from the fact that Canada's exploitation of vulnerable children almost makes ours look tame. The sole surviving witness died at 59, immediately before he was due to give evidence. It seems the only part of this story involving HMQ is that she went off for a walk with ten children, who were never seen again.

achieve15 · 22/07/2015 21:34

Garlick - just to clarify - you believe there should have been convictions in the Orkney case?

Dowser · 22/07/2015 21:51

Spivey at one point was seriously worried that his daughter's son was going to be taken from them for what he believed to be unfounded reasons.

It was a seriously worrying time for him . One that he feels was more to do with his exposing of what he feels is the rotten- ness at the core of our society rather than neglect of the child.

You should still be able to read about it on his website.

Dowser · 22/07/2015 21:59

Someone didn't know about savile and the royal connection.

You can fill your boots here.

Interestingly way, way down there's a photo of savile at the haute de la garenne , a place he denied ever visiting. Well the evidence emerged in the shape of a photo.
Sorry, I can't post an individual photo.

Garlick · 22/07/2015 22:01

I don't know what should have been done, achieve, or what really happened. It must be fairly easy to convince a terrified and violated child that evil spirits are at work.

achieve15 · 22/07/2015 22:05

Garlick, sorry, even more confused. My comment is that I can't believe the social workers took them away in the first place and the judge threw it out on Day 1. Are you saying you think the social workers did have a reason to take them away?

This is just curiosity btw, I totally accept you are entitled to your opinion, I'm just not sure what you mean.

Fantasyland · 22/07/2015 22:05

Has it been proven Thatcher knew all about Saville and the MPs and did nothing?

I really can't understand why people still think she did great things for this country and won't have anyone say anything against her as she is dead now.

achieve15 · 22/07/2015 22:07

to clarify, I thought the judge was right to throw it out on Day 1, from what I know of it. I remember reading a huge article on this but I can't remember where it was.

Garlick · 22/07/2015 22:31

It's surprising (or not) how quick judges often are to dismiss evidence in cases of child sexual abuse. Considering how extremely prevalent it is, how many VIP connections have been firmly established, and that there is solid evidence of 'ritualised' abuse, I find it easier to believe that it's happening in Britain than that it isn't. Bear in mind, too, that we know of children who have fairly recently been tortured to death by adults believing evil spirits were involved.

Anything I had to say about specific 'satanic' abuse allegations in the UK would be based on contemporary police gossip, therefore pointless to repeat.

This was dressed up as ritual stuff: Lambeth Police Station 'dungeon'

AlecTrevelyan006 · 22/07/2015 22:38

if you have a spare 40mins then listen to Jeremy Thorpe - The Silent Consipracy

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04wz633

I think its really interesting because most of it was recored a long time ago and so the interviews included in it are very much 'of their time'.

Hearing this long-suppressed evidence, it becomes clear how far removed in social attitudes we are now from where we were then, especially as regards homosexuality. The archive material reveals attitudes from all-and-sundry in the establishment back then that would have seen them crucified on Twitter these days.

And you easily get a sense of how the 'establishment' quite automatically looked after each other - there was no need to do shady deals in smoked filled rooms or order secret cover-ups. All of them appeared to have simply behaved in the manner expected of them i.e. if some young upstart questions the behaviour of one of the ruling classes then he is either lying or even if he is telling the truth then that truth is not as important as maintaining the status quo. Shocking stuff. gstuff.

YouTheCat · 22/07/2015 22:41

Thatcher knew.

Every PM has known. Some of them were even very much involved.

achieve15 · 22/07/2015 22:45

Sorry Garlick
I am probably being dense because I am a very plain speaker so when people come out with heavily nuanced stuff, I don't get it.

So I still don't know for sure what you are saying but I think you are saying that you think those children might have been abused in the way the social workers said. Have I got that right?