David Cameron has finally admitted that "integration is not working"

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AIBU to think that he should have cottoned on about 10 years ago, not now when it is so glaringly obvious as to be an embarrassment for everyone?

It is clear that Cameron is referring to extremists within the muslim community and not to the whole of the muslim population. He even stressed as such: He said the focus of his speech was Islamist extremism - not Islam the religion - and that moderate Muslims also hated the "sick world view" of extremists www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33590305

So why then are some saying that this is demonising all muslims ?

Islamic extremism is clearly a problem as demonstrated by the terrorist attacks committed by British muslims both in the UK and abroad. Labour and Pakistani muslim MP Khalid Mahmood estimates that over 2000 Brits are fighting for ISIL. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11248114/Muslim-MP-2000-Britons-fighting-for-Islamic-State.html.

I don't really see what is so objectionable about recognising this problem and putting forward proposals to tackle it. I personally think that nothing he or any one else says or does will have any impact as they are all just skirting around the real issue. However it's going to take a good few more bloody atrocities on Western soil before we have the gumption to take on the real elephant in the room.

However it's going to take a good few more bloody atrocities on Western soil before we have the gumption to take on the real elephant in the room.

Like the claim it was going to take nothing short of a new Pearl Harbour to implement U.S strategy in the M.E as published in September 2000 in a piece entitled "Rebuilding America's Defenses" ? Lo and behold...a year later.. their wish was granted. It was released by PNAC - a very influential U.S thinktank of which Dick Cheney was a prominent member among a number of very belligerent neo'conservatives' (cough). They'd actually put the Jacobins to shame. The target is not especially Muslims - it is all of us - to make us all servile slaves to a particularly nasty brand of fascism which very much had it's way in WW2 with collaboration on a massive scale(not just death camps - labour camps, forced conscription of our relatives etc) and whose leadership is never going to be satisfied until all dissent is squashed . Fortunately our grandparents and theirs before them have told us what those times involved and a pesky little problem of demographic collapse (of which mass immigration, including that of Muslims, was designed to fill the void) among the people they've traditionally relied on to fight their wars is thwarting their efforts .

Oliver Cromwell is doing a speech tonight explaining how mixing Catholics and Protestants in Ireland hasn't worked, either. Overall, Ollie's solution is that, if you want to make this kind of thing work, you have to kill more people.

Mr. Cameron, integration notes available by post.

So boys and girls (and unemployed white males) whats the answer ? Do we deny we have problem and carry on as if nothing is wrong.

So boys and girls (and unemployed white males) whats the answer ? Do we deny we have problem and carry on as if nothing is wrong.
We have a problem. Just not the one your newspaper tells you we have. We live in a world driven by money. It is our chosen paradigm. When we all earn a lot of money and consume what we please, society is generally happy and peaceful. But when our standards of living decline, and resources became scarce, we become aggressive and fight. Those who govern us know this, and they focus that aggression onto others, and away from themselves.

If ramping up the rhetoric on Muslim extremism did not have actual tangible legislative or financial benefit, it would not be being done. This is either, a step towards greater legislative power to remove freedoms from UK citizens, of a step towards the securing of access to resources for our future. Most likely both.

But rest assured, the public will only be able to see what they are told to see.

Well, most of what's wrong is going wrong in Syria and Iraq. I've got a huge speech prepared on holding up Eskimo trousers. Would anyone care to hear it?

It is a well known recognised phenomenon by sociologists that during recession and times of scarce resources xenophobia, racism and anti Semitism increases. See Nazi Germany. People are scared and hurting and so close in on themselves and their communities and become less tolerant and more suspicious of difference. our beloved leader David Cameron rather than being a leader of unity and pulling british society together instead plays to that dark side of human nature in order to push through his own party ideology of decreasing the state by more austerity. The Tories can only demonise the low paid, the unemployed, the single mothers, the disabled, the sick who need expensive medicines so much before people say 'hang on they're our own.' most british people haven't met any muslims so it's only what they hear of us in the media so less personal contact with the Other.

greater surveillance powers isn't just about monitoring muslim communities, soon it will be used on trade unionists, and environmentalists, anti monarchists, 'no to fifth runwayists', NIMBYS, investigative journalists, etc

May it is just that so many British families are now facing greater hardship and austerity, if they are so easily manipulated to rally behind their government in spite of their woes.

It's their fault, those nasty people. They keep themselves private and they speak a different language. They do not believe our fight abroad is just, you know.

At least with less food in their bellies, the masses will rally against the more prosperous and more cohesive communities in their midst. And they will support us when we ask to take away their freedom and liberty.

It looks a lot like drive fear into the feeble minded, threaten them with starvation, and set them upon the enemy in their midst.

Yes purple it was actually after a five hour debate in Parliament but the news of the day was prime minister says multiculturalism isn't working. The recent rhetoric has been its not enough to be law abiding and peaceful, the ordinary muslim must do better to integrate and fit in [conform]. David Cameron would have us believe finger wagging to muslims on upholding of british values will comfort all when hunger, crime, poverty and destitution all increase in society because of austerity and cutbacks to social security and services. It's a good trick and like I said earlier in my first post, muslim leaders do this often not just for economic benefit but also to divert attention from their own corruption by portraying themselves as champions of cultural/religious values.

I don't especially like the fact that they shun British culture

Not to pick on the particular poster....but I still don't actually know what this means. Can anyone offer something more tangible than vague statements about British culture and values?

Do we want Muslims to start scoffing fish and chips? Walk around reciting Shakespeare? Wear bowler hats?

Not to pick on the particular poster....but I still don't actually know what this means. Can anyone offer something more tangible than vague statements about British culture and values?

They don't own Stafforshire bull terriers, sit drinking in their gardens, wear our flag to football matches and rejoice when we kill people. They don't buy our magazines telling us how fat CelebX has become and how CelebY has left FootballerY to fuck FootballerZ. They just aren't 'British'.

In an era of high unemployment, low opportunity for the young, unaffordable housing, increased child poverty, hopeless inequality etc, it is less likely everyone will be living together in one big multicultural happy family.

DC needs to focus on addressing the underlying reasons for discontent. I don't see many affluent, employed people, living in lovely houses in leafy suburbs, round our way complaining about a lack of integration.

Yes please what are #britishvalues and where can I get them? as much as Cameron lauds the christian values of the UK his political and economic ideology makes me think he'd much rather muslims replaced the Quran with Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged rather than the King James Bible. We are, all of us, unfortunates to be living in interesting times.

Sorry MaidOfStars but I must take issue with your fish n chips statement. Isn't the British meal of choice these days curry?

For your perusal en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_values

Wikipedia says British Values is the state or quality of being British

#helpful

Wideopen I think it's an interesting definition, one that defines the concept of 'Britishness' as a geopolitical entity.

Similarly, decrying the demise of British high streets. They are high streets in Britain ergo 'British high streets'. I like it that high streets around Britain reflect different cultures within different communities. That, for me, is 'British' (if I had to define it, which I don't).

Schools in Britain ergo British Schools....melting pots of different cultures and communities, reflecting similarities, differences but all members of the community required to rub along together.

I'll take that.

DC needs to focus on addressing the underlying reasons for discontent.

That would be pointless. The country cannot afford the welfare system in its current form. Poverty is a very powerful political tool. People tend to be willing to give up their human rights in exchange for food. We will feed the poor, and they will support the removal of freedom and liberty from society.

I don't see many affluent, employed people, living in lovely houses in leafy suburbs, round our way complaining about a lack of integration.

But you'll see them voicing their opinion on MN. In reality it is a non-issue for them. An academic exercise if social politics, an indulgence of an ideology, the same way they flirt with socialism until they begin to feel the tightening noose of the welfare state threatening their idyll, and then they rush back to the safety of conservatism, and push the masses back into poverty where they belong.

These exact same dynamics have played out over and over again for a hundred years. It surprises me just how ignorant people are of what is happening in the world around them. Imagine a world where everyone believed what they were told by the man in charge. A lot of your fellow citizens are already there.

British culture, you know, cricket.

Underlying causes? People aren't watching video nasties because of lack of access to tax credits.

Back in the day, a pope, I think his name was Urban, told English people to leave the fields, pack some bread and cheese and walk half way across the globe to liberate the Holy Land. And guess what, they did! DC has to confront the fact that, when it comes to religious messages, people will believe any old crap, and utopia is the biggest puller of them all.

If DC wants to fix this, I'd suggest a huge operating theatre and a production line lobotomy operation to rival the Ford Motor Company. It's the only solution.

I live in a rural part of the country. Very few people in the immediate area are from outside the UK. I am English and proud of it to my very core and I don't think there is anything wrong with people wanting to make sure we don't lose our identity.

BUT

people talk of immigration in terms of it being a modern issue. This country has been built on the backs of immigration, from the Celts and Picts through to the Romans and Germanic tribes who formed the English race and the Normans who laid the basis of modern life. It is not something to be scared of!

The extremist views are however, terrifying because they seem unstoppable and are gathering force. No matter what anyone says, I find it scary because we can't predict where it is going to end up. Something NEEDS to be done to find out why these people are turning to it. Wherever solution DC comes up with is never going to be popular but if his way of doing it bothers you then perhaps you should think about a career in politics and go and sort it out yourself! At least they are doing something.

You cannot legislate away stupidity.
It has specific skin colour.

Wherever solution DC comes up with is never going to be popular but if his way of doing it bothers you then perhaps you should think about a career in politics and go and sort it out yourself!

It's that British culture thing again, horsey. The masses like nothing better than a good whinge. If they haven't got something to whine about, then the country just isn't running right.

i assumed you meant integration in the classroom, like with children with SEN, but really you meant actual racist stuff. wow

Ellie expand ur comment please