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To ask if you've ever experienced a house get out of control

362 replies

atthelake · 12/07/2015 10:33

That gives a weird image of a tantrumming house but the truth isn't so funny.

House is disgusting. Repulsive, awful, dirty. I just can't seem to manage it. I used to be able to. Now I'm struggling so much.

I'm talking washing up on the dirty sofa and piles of dirty clothes and crisps trodden in carpet upstairs and bathroom full of clothes and cat wee (thanks cat) and empty bottles and half full bottles of drinks and tin openers in lounge and cobwebs and muck and dirt.

Am i trying to have my child taken off me or something? :)

I semi confided in a friend yesterday who said she had found it hard until she went on ADs.

Is this the answer? When I've taken them in the past I just felt flat but maybe I didn't try the right ones or for long enough.

It's getting me down, it's getting everybody down but it's as if I cant. Sometimes I make some vague attempt to clear some rubble but it barely makes a dent.

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TheoriginalLEM · 12/07/2015 11:42

maybe you could ask a friend to help? do you have a friend with similar clutter? then you can help her. more fun with two and no temptation to go online which ismy downfall.

HotBurrito1 · 12/07/2015 11:43

Can you invite someone round for drinks or a meal in a weeks time? Nothing focuses my mind like a deadline. Then decide on an amount of time per day to get it done.

I get the routine stuff being boring, but it's rubbish if you can't invite anyone round.

LeBearPolar · 12/07/2015 11:44

PP asked how those of us who have tidy houses do it: my house is pretty tidy but I do have to make myself do it. It doesn't come naturally: I used to be really lazy but I made an active decision to change and have worked at it. I have a very regular routine of which chores get done when, which helps. So today is Sunday, and I know the ironing gets done today so tough if I don't really feel like it - I just bung a film on and get it done.

I also tidy round at the end of each day just before bed so we don't come down to a mess ever. It helps it stay under control.

CamelHump · 12/07/2015 11:45

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BlackeyedSusan · 12/07/2015 11:51

unfuck your environment is a good site.

I have two children with additional needs one of whom can have a disability induced rampage about the place which knocks things off and scatters rubbish. the other is wobbly on their feet and knocks things off and tramples stuff. they leak blood and wee onthe carpet. cleaning up after their additional needs uses time that could be used to beat the rest of the place into submission. we live in a two bed flat and it is too small for tha amount of stuff we have. I have been taking carrier bags of it out of the door but it is still out of hand. it got out of hand after my dad died and I have not got on top of it since. I have given myself a year to sort it. we are already half way through and not nearly done enough. better get on with it.

BlackeyedSusan · 12/07/2015 11:52

the children's room is tidy and clean. I work on keeping it that way.

CatsandCrumble · 12/07/2015 11:54

If when you have free time you just sleep, it is probably because you are knackered! Be kind to yourself.

Another one who likes flylady here. You may need ADs as well.

Don't expect too much, just clear off ONE space, a coffee table or the sink, and make sure you do that everyday. Try the flylady baby steps and the chatroom is good for getting motivation to keep going.

It takes many people LOTS of attempts to succeed, the main thing is just to keep doing it.

Believe me, lots of us have been where you are now & know just how hard it is to start.

RedCrayons · 12/07/2015 11:56

OP - you've already cleaned the toilet so Flowers. See you're on your way.

but I lose focus/concentration halfway through. This is me, especially when I'm having a crappy day. I know how hard I do little bits of stuff and nothing ever gets finished. I find a list helps me and setting a timer on my phone for short bursts of activity.

callamia · 12/07/2015 12:02

Small jobs. Break it all down and work on one thing at a time. What will make you feel best? Getting wishing up done? Clearing away clothes? Do that first. I find it stupidly hard work keeping our flat clean and tidy (it's never tidy, that's a distant dream). Consider your priority and do that first.

Today, my priority is to do a load of ironing and clear the dining table. Everything else can wait. I have someone coming over tomorrow, so I know I must do it - holding yourself accountable to some one is often really helpful. I like the timer idea took, and I might try that today.

EponasWildDaughter · 12/07/2015 12:02

LeBear i was a lazy arse BK too. (Before Kids) Having my first DC made me see Routine for the life saver it is! Having 2 more DCs in quick succession meant I honestly couldn't have coped without sticking to a daily formula of getting the basics done round the house, and everyone fed and clean. With 3 under 5 you need a method you can stick to! It's a habit which has stuck with me through those first 3 DCs getting to school age and me going back to work, and it's working for me again now with a house full, plus a baby again.

OP - you're saying you feel you can cope with the daily again stuff once the house is at a stage you can cope with. Where are you? Can any of us come and help blitz for a day or two? It's nothing to worry about, we've all been in a mess at some point :)

Could you hire a team to come in for a one off morning/day to get it all up to normal? you could go out for the day and hide? Grin

atthelake · 12/07/2015 12:05

Honestly I wouldn't dare let anybody in, I couldn't.

I think one or the problems is everywhere looks grubby even when it's not if you see what I mean.

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StayWithMe · 12/07/2015 12:05

Forget the ironing for now. Wash and dry the laundry, then fold it and put it away. Go out to the shop and buy disposable cutlery, cups and plates and a big bin for the kitchen. Make very simple meals for the next few days.

That way you're not on the treadmill of ironing and washing dishes which will give you more free time to get on top of the other stuff. Chuck stuff, such as toys, paperwork, into labeled boxes. Clear all surfaces. Do you need all the ornaments and nicknacks that are sitting on surfaces or are you keeping them out of habit, just in case you need them?

Good luck OP. I know how hard it is to get on top of things when they get out of hand. I'm currently doing the above, to get on top if things. Flowers

atthelake · 12/07/2015 12:05

I don't think I even OWN an iron.

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mytimewillcome · 12/07/2015 12:08

Do you have a partner? What does he think? If there are two of you it must be possible to get to grips with it. I think it's always hard to find a new way of doing things once you have a child.

HoggleHoggle · 12/07/2015 12:08

I would also tackle a room at a time, starting with the one you're dreading the most. Set your timer to make sure you stick to it but to be honest at this stage I would go for 30 mins not 15 - it sounds like a real blitz is needed and in this time you can really complete a job properly rather than doing things piecemeal. That always gets me down personally, when I have lots of half done things to face.

Do you have a partner, if so what are they doing to help? Can they take the dc out for the whole day so you can just really knuckle down - or you take them out and they do the deep clean?

The dirty plates/cat wee situation you describe really does need tackling - it's obviously really tough but can you just get yourself into the zone to get the worst bits done? Put the music on loud if possible and really go for it? And think about what you're going to treat yourself with tonight?

You can do it!

ZetaPu · 12/07/2015 12:08

Don't do just 15 minutes. Put some music on and do an hour.
It's amazing how much you can get done in hr. 15 minutes is not enough.
Just get ruthless and chuck as much stuff out.
Give yourself goals to achieve this week. Like clean kitchen, living room and get on top of washing.
Think of your ds and the home you want him to grow up in.
I'm naturally a bit disorganised so slowly, the mess levels start creeping up even though I try to keep on top of the basics.
I never go to bed until the kitchen and living room are clean. It always seems like a big job but when it's done every day, it takes about 20-25 minutes.

Yesterday, I spent 3 hrs cleaning the living room and kitchen as I realised things had become cluttered again. I got rid of a load of clutter and rubbish and boxed some stuff up and put it away.

I have 4 loads of laundry to put away today but I feel so much better and things look very clean and tidy.

Do get yourself checked out by gp too.

StayWithMe · 12/07/2015 12:09

I don't think I even OWN an iron.

That's that problem solved then. Wink I have a really good iron, but stuff only gets ironed in thus house when it needs to be worn. Grin

atthelake · 12/07/2015 12:12

He does help yes does loads Blush but he works away in the week and it gets mucked up.

Feel like crying at the thought of cleaning for an hour Sad

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Downtheroadfirstonleft · 12/07/2015 12:17

Lots of great ideas here.

I'd suggest making a list of 5 small jobs, putting some music on and getting on and doing one of them.

Stop arguing why it won't work, just do a job and see where that takes you. You can do this, but you have to stop procrastinating and make a start.

greenhill · 12/07/2015 12:17

Cleaning for an hour at a time is too long, when you're overwhelmed, that's why 15 minutes works for me.

I've just got the DC to clear Lego and megabricks off the sitting room floor, I've remade the sofas and covered them in throws, so the crumbs and grit are on the carpet ready to be hoovered in the next burst of tidying up.

One is colouring in, one is watching an educational thing on Quest, neither are adding to the pile of stuff they'd abandoned on the floor earlier, as it's now in a box ready to be put back in its proper place later.

Small steps. Then you'll get there in the end Smile

stevienickstophat · 12/07/2015 12:18

Right OP, time for tough love.

You obviously want things to improve because you posted on here.

But only you can improve it.

You need to sort out that cat wee for your DD's sake. Make that your job for today.

Baby step 1: put everything soaked in cat wee in a bin bag and put it in the garden. Go do that now then report back for baby step 2 Smile

BertieBotts · 12/07/2015 12:20

Yes. My house was like that. In fact the only thing that really got me out of it was meeting DH (who wooed me by coming over and doing my mountains of washing up repeatedly Blush) and moving to a smaller place abroad where I had to let go of 60% of our stuff (because of shipping costs) and then DH basically drives the cleaning efforts in this place, because if he's ill for a few days, it starts to creep into chaos again.

Sorry, that's not entirely helpful. But taking DH out of the equation, what has actually helped is

  • Less stuff
  • Set routines
  • Actually keeping to those routines (this is probably the hardest part!)

Also, starting from zero.

I am actually pursuing assessment for ADHD (inattentive) now because I eventually understood that struggling so much with such basic things was not normal and it's not just a case of me being lazy. (There are other issues as well) Depression can also cause the lethargy, it's a case of not valuing yourself enough to want to clean up for you. I always wanted to and intended to but was consistently confused at why I failed and then that transferred into self-loathing which lead to depression which then made me not care. Confused Even now when DH reminds me of something I am often surprised that it's come up again so soon.

I did actually have SS involvement at one point and my landlord was really unhappy and warned that he may take steps towards eviction. So it does have serious consequences reaching beyond yourself, even if you feel happy living in the crap (which it sounds like you don't.)

So action plan.

First of all you need to accept that it's actually a problem and decide that you really are going to change it. Chase away all those negative "But..." thoughts, because they are not going to defeat you this time.

If you're having trouble really caring about it or you're finding that your self-flagellation is getting in the way of actually doing anything about it, then it would be a good idea to see your GP about treatment for depression as a first port of call.

If you're feeling tired/lethargic/lacking energy but not depressed (surprisingly common 1 year after childbirth), get blood tests to make sure your iron, thyroid, etc, levels are okay and flag up any need for supplements. Your GP can organise this if you ask. If you really can't face this then buy some Berocca and vitamin D because those two are the most common, but it's better to get a proper picture of what might be going on.

If you're constantly trying but not really getting anywhere then try the methods first and if it's not getting any better then it might be worth looking at why as part of a bigger picture.

Second - ASK for help. Admit to friends and family that it's got out of control and ask if they will come round one weekend and help you get it sorted. Don't worry at this point that it's going to be a waste and it will just get bad again, because it won't, as long as you follow the process through to the end. There is nothing so insurmountable that you can't deal with it. If you can't ask anybody and you have money to throw at the problem, you could call around cleaning companies to ask about any who do a deep clean.

Third - you want to do a radical downsize. Two ways of doing this that I can suggest: Virtual move Order some moving boxes (£16 for a set on amazon) or collect some of those crates from supermarkets, and pack every single thing in your house up, leaving those you are immediately using for last. As you pack, ask yourself if you were moving to another country and were limited on what you could take, whether you would pack this item. If the answer is no, then let it go - charity shop, car boot, bin, whatever. Don't worry too much about sustainability etc at the moment because this is more of an emergency situation. You need to set aside time for this - take time off work, get childcare, get people to come and help you, etc.

The other way that I know to be effective is the KonMari method. This is thread 9 and it's only just started so very little discussion yet but basically it revolves around this book, which is a very sweet if slightly odd book about decluttering by a charmingly bonkers Japanese woman which claims to be life changing, and by all accounts really seems to be. It is quite magic and I am finding it helpful, even if I am the slowest person in the world to ever trudge through it!

Fourth: (And you can do this alongside the KonMari book if you like) - develop new systems and routines. There are a hundred ways to do this but I would say the most important thing is to keep it simple, and make things easy for yourself by interrupting destructive habits and creating shortcuts. It's fine to have a laundry basket downstairs to chuck discarded clothes in rather than have them lying around, if you find yourself leaving plates lying around, interrupt that by changing where you eat, have small wastepaper bins around to catch rubbish which is discarded wherever, buy a tabletop dishwasher if you have no room for an under counter one (have fewer plates to force yourself to wash up immediately, and make it never too large of a task). etc. Too many systems to outline here, but here are some ideas and names to google:

FLYlady, Unfuck Your Habitat, an android app called Regularly, various task list/home routines apps, a laminated list you stick to the fridge, designating certain hours of the day "work hours" where you do housework, 7 habits of highly efficient households, a daily maintenance routine, four lists (morning, naptime, dinnertime, bedtime), walk through the house and start with whatever you notice, Kim & Aggie, a "Waterfall" method where you walk through the house tackling all of the "low hanging fruit" (easy, v. low effort jobs) and make a mental note of what larger jobs need doing so you can come back to them, involving DD in jobs so that it becomes a game and time spent with her but you also get stuff done (albeit slowly), 50s housewife routines (can find on google).... probably a hundred more.

Lastly: Keep on top of it. As I said, this is the hardest part. It might mean outsourcing, it might mean having a friend drop in once a week, it might mean logging things in an app, it might mean going to the doctor and asking for more support with mental health whether that is assessment for some kind of executive function issue or treatment for depression. (And yes ask for different meds if the others made you feel flat), it might mean getting therapy for some long-running issue. It might mean continually assessing systems to interrupt inefficient/unhelpful parts, it might mean using disposable plates, or whatever. It might just mean accepting that housework takes longer (daily) than you would ideally like to spend doing it. That's not a very fun realisation, but it helps to accept it.

There was a website I used to look at called Squalor Survivors. That showed some houses which were utterly terrifying in the amount of (literal) crap that was in them. It might be helpful for you or it might be the opposite, but for me it reminded me that it doesn't matter how bad a house is, it's always cleanable. Kim and Aggie also has this effect, when that used to be on. It's always doable, it might not feel it, but it's just something getting in the way. Find that thing and you kill the monster in its heart, not one of the ever growing heads.

You can do it! :)

DoesItReallyMatter · 12/07/2015 12:21

Looking after a 1 year old is hard work and keeping a house clean and tidy is hard work. You just have to try and make yourself do it because there is no magic solution (unless you are rich). You know what you have to do - it's just bloody hard forcing yourself to do it.

How about if you pledged to post a photo of your kitchen at the end of the day? Would that give you the motivation to blitz it? Please don't agree to it if it's going to stress you out though. Smile

Now that I think about it I used to invite people over for coffees when my DC were little as I know it used to make me tidy up Blush

CatsandCrumble · 12/07/2015 12:21

do you have some fun music to put on? I find something really cheesy works best. anything that you like.

So, you've cleaned the toilet and some clutter. Can you have another go in the living room - just pick up anything which should be in the kitchen and dump it in the kitchen. Don't get distracted and start cleaning in the kitchen - just dump and run back to the Living room See how much you can get don in 15 mins.

Then come back and tell us!

EponasWildDaughter · 12/07/2015 12:22

I never ever iron. Seriously.

If you foldit neatly it sort of irons itself Grin

It gets hung up to dry, folded and put on the bed of the owner. (apart from the baby's of course) What they do with it after that is their own affair. (although if i see it on the floor i go apeshit).