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lets try again with the anti islamophobia, shall we!

240 replies

karbonfootprint · 03/07/2015 22:38

Well, I did start a thread about this recently, but it is full of discussion about terrorists, and events in other countries......

Just talking about this country, the UK, and Muslim and non Muslim British people, lets just look after each other, and stand up for each other against intolerance and racism, and be friends!

OP posts:
cleanmachine · 05/07/2015 20:58

Ambar your posts are amusing. The rohingyas are 'in conflict' with Buddhists? Are you sure? Last I heard the rohingyas were stuck in the middle of an ocean trying to survive. There is no conflict, just genocide.

You say the Buddhists responsible are extremists and not those such as the dalai lama. The blame is rightly placed with the extremist perpetrators. Why are Muslims not given the same terms? Why is the whole Muslim community being asked to eradicate/ deal with isis when the west and all is powers couldn't? And what do ordinary mnetting Muslim mums have to do with extremists such as isis?

Re the richard II issue - again I say again the double standards are astounding. Astonishing. It's not a matter of a pedestal. If you criticise muhammad for marrying a 6 year old 1400 years ago you must do the same to our own kings. Otherwise you'd be a hypocrite wouldn't you? Bowing out of this bizarre thread. I wish you all luck in dealing with your prejudices and feel immense sympathy for the Muslim mnetters having to read this thread.

PyjamasLlamas · 05/07/2015 21:13

Thank you for trying clean

NewFlipFlops · 05/07/2015 21:14

Er, Richard II was homosexual. Wasn't his marriage unconsummated?

Gemauve · 05/07/2015 21:15

It's not a matter of a pedestal. If you criticise muhammad for marrying a 6 year old 1400 years ago you (sic) must do the same to our (sic) own kings.

Er, you're aware that Richard II is regarded as a disastrous king whose despotic behaviour plunged Britain into the wars of the Roses and nearly took the concept of hereditary monarchy with it? Are you somehow trying to make the argument that the British find it hard to criticise our kings, or something?

But fine, if you're saying the price of criticising Mohammed is that we have to criticise our own kings, great. Edward VII was an adulterer who probably cheated at cards, Edward VIII was a sexual deviant who sympathised with the Nazi Party and probably divulged secrets to the German ambassador, Charles I was a megalomanic despot whose beheading was well deserved and Richard III was a sadistic serial killer. Is that enough?

NewFlipFlops · 05/07/2015 21:24

Also gay. Please stop barking up the wrong tree with Richard II, everyone Confused

xenu1 · 05/07/2015 21:25

Yes, cleanm: Richard II was wrong. And the AoC was only raised in the Victorian era. But at least that is progress. Unfortunately, Islam is still in the dark ages:

www.ibtimes.com/child-bride-practice-rising-iran-parliament-seeks-lower-girls-legal-marriage-age-9-760263

"an official statement from the Iranian parliament's legal affairs committee that the Islamic Republic will push to lower the legal marriage for girls to 9 (before they even reach puberty) from the current 13.

The legal affairs committee of parliament told the press that they regard the law that prohibits girls below the age of 10 from being married off to be "un-Islamic and illegal," referencing Islamic scripture to which describes the Prophet Muhammad the perfect example of all Muslims marrying a six-year-old bride, with whom he consummated the marriage when she was only nine years old.

Mohammad Ali Isfenani, the chairman for the legal affairs committee, said matter-of-factly: "As some people may not comply with our current Islamic legal system, we must regard 9 as being the appropriate age for a girl to have reached puberty and qualified to get married. To do otherwise would be to contradict and challenge Islamic Sharia law."

Now, is this being proposed in the UK?

NewFlipFlops · 05/07/2015 21:27

Aarrghhhh!

redbinneo · 05/07/2015 21:30

OP, opposing Islam isn't racist, it's just a stand against stupidity, and believing in fairy tales.

Ambarholder · 05/07/2015 21:52

Since when did I ask Muslims to apolgise/condem. All I said was some areas on the Quran are filled with violence/ justify slavery, sexual slavery/pedophilia.

Richard II was terrible but he does not get anywhere near the same respect by the English then Muslims do for Mohammed.

I oppose Islam because I am tired of hearing stories about it. I think it is a very violent religion in comparisson to other religions.

The Myanmar conflict is absolutely dreadful however for one majour example of Buddhist violence I can name you many more Islamic ones.

Buddhism, Christianity do not permit killing in their religious laws, Mohammed killed with his own hands.

I worry about the poor white working class girls and boys who are still at risk from sexual slavery by Muslim gangs. Their are verses in Quran that permit this kind of thing. Combine that with Mohammed marrying a 9 year old.

It is the religion of violence and not peace.

Ambarholder · 05/07/2015 21:54

I don't care if anyone calls me racist/islamophobic.

Silencing and censorship will not work on me.

Ambarholder · 05/07/2015 21:57

A different point but relevant, we have tried the liberal pc multicultural method of integration and it has failed. The evidence for this failing is the record number of people arrested for terrorism, the uk Muslims defecting to Isis.

MistressMia · 05/07/2015 21:58

the hadiths and Koran can be selectively quoted and interpreted to serve a certain purpose.

Better have a word with the UAE authorities then. They seem to have done exactly that with regards to those pesky Quranic verses and Hadiths

Article 53 of the UAE's penal code allows the imposition of “chastisement by a husband to his wife and the chastisement of minor children” so long as the assault does not exceed the limits prescribed by Sharia, or Islamic law. In 2010, the UAE’s Federal Supreme Court issued a ruling— citing the UAE penal code—that permits beating and other forms of punishment or coercion of wives by their husbands, so long as they do not leave physical marks.28 www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/related_material/Final%20HRW%20CEDAW%20Submission%20on%20UAE-February%202015.pdf

Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them . But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand. quran.com/4/34
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Read the same report on the 'misinterpretation' or not of

  • male guardianship of women
  • the negligible rights of women to petition for divorce
  • the necessity for said uppity women to have to give up their claim to any maintenance if they are the ones to seek divorce
  • the negation of marital rape, (as Islam sees rape as only being as such when it occurs outside of marriage)
  • the right of a husband to take four wives
  • and the rights of men to inherit twice as much as women

Can't be bothered to paste links to all the Islamic sources legitimising the above as I've done it a zillion times before.

The ulemma of most of the other Islamic countries also seem to have 'misinterpreted' rather a lot.

I've said before that those who state Islam has been twisted should really mount a challenge to these laws and tell those learned Islamic scholars how wrong they are. Lush I see you're a lawyer....you could be our woman to finally bring forward this fabled just and equitable Islam we keep hearing about.

We're rather tired of apologists who shrill for Islam while living privileged and protected lives in ex-pat compounds or Western countries.

The women who truly have no choice but to live under such religiously sanctioned discrimination need you.

The bitter laments of a muslim woman :
"Please, Allah, leave us alone to cry and weep in peace. From behind the veil, beyond public gaze we want to cry till we cannot cry any more. This is the only right you have left to us Muslim women, throughout the Islamic world, where your laws are meticulously followed".

"The world beyond is undergoing so many changes, so many evolutions over the ages; year after year, new discoveries are being made both in the sciences and philosophies, in the rest of the world, improving upon old ideas and beliefs. But we are tied forever to the rigid and immutable shackles of your laws, Allah. No one ever came forward for our emancipation"............... www.centerforinquiry.net/isis/islamic_viewpoints/the_bitter_lament_of_a_muslim_woman/

keepitsimple0 · 05/07/2015 22:04

You say the Buddhists responsible are extremists and not those such as the dalai lama. The blame is rightly placed with the extremist perpetrators. Why are Muslims not given the same terms? Why is the whole Muslim community being asked to eradicate/ deal with isis when the west and all is powers couldn't? And what do ordinary mnetting Muslim mums have to do with extremists such as isis?

what part of buddhist doctrine are the extremist buddhists expressing? That's the difference. the buddhist violence is sectarian, whereas the violence by ISIS has a strong basis in religion.

Lateswim16 · 05/07/2015 22:18

Religious people are so bloody boring though!

Sorry but imagine following an ideology and a way of life that that revolves around a book and a long dead blokes views.

It would be a sweet and innocent way to live without the hate, mysogyny. and control.

People are strange.

Gemauve · 05/07/2015 22:22

Er, Richard II was homosexual. Wasn't his marriage unconsummated?

More recently, the same is supposedly true of Edward VIII.

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