Daily Mail Has gone too far (again)

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3125530/The-breeding-ground-jihadis-ice-cream-lady-wears-burka-great-textile-town-Dewsbury-undergone-terrible-transformation.html

Why is a women in a burka selling ice cream terrifying to them.

of course they did ghosty

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1092012/Seven-children-fathers-ring-Argos--Lazy-sex-mad-Karen-Matthews-symbolises-broken-Britain.html

So being sex mad and wearing an Argos ring makes you a shit mother?

Lovely!

Oh and a niqabi woman running an ice cream van is not a common sight in the muslim world either.

I think anyone in a public facing job should have their face uncovered. Many people (and I am one) find it very unsettling and intimidating trying to interact with someone who has deliberately covered their face.

Why would a veil be unsettling or intimidating?

Agree with 80sMum. In my local supermarket I deliberately will not go to a till operator wearing a niqab. Have no problem with burka as I can see their face. If this makes others think me racist then so be it.

5second ... I presume you are responding to me?

Well I never said Tabligh were inspiring people to fight in Syria, did I?

What I was saying is that it is noticeable that there have been tensions In Dewsbury between the more established Pakistani heritage community and the newer Arab and Kurdish community, and it is possible that such attitudes towards Arabs and Kurds feature into decisions to join ISIS.

What I was pointing out was that the distinctly subcontinental origin and parameters of TJ will not exactly challenge these attitudes, will it? This is a community very defined by the experiences, positions and perspectives of Indian subcontinental Muslim culture, and Kurds, in particular, are perceived as "the other".

A lot of people here must really struggle with phone and email conversations ...

And silly me the mail would never miss an opportunity to bash single mums on benefits!

wow - this thread is a real eye opener!!! you wouldn't go to someone working in a shop wearing a niqab?

wear i live doesn't have a big muslim community and i rarely if ever see anyone wearing veils but it wouldn't bother me. id notice it as unusual but wouldn't worry me. You can tell alot about how someone is feeling from their eyes.

I was referring to the comment made by another poster.

I dont agree with your reasoning though.

Crikeylou why on earth not?

In that I think the situation you describe would create tensions regardless of the ethnicities. A more established majority may feel threatened by a minority of newcomers who are visibly different. Isnt this thread a reflection of that? I dont think their reaction is abnormal just sadly a part of human nature. Tabligh may not address it or they might. Its not really part of their remit as they focus primarily on spirituality rather than social or political problems so it would depend on the individuals.

Do you think she is making a face at you under there or something?

Mind you I wouldn't blame her if you have that attitude.

formidable - my comment wasn't aimed at yours

I imagine Dewsbury is very similar to Oldham.

It makes me sad for the heritage of the town, but hey ho, things move on and live and let live.

But on a personal level I do not feel comfortable dealing with people who choose to cover their faces.

not read thread to me burka is symbol of subjugation and oppression. it has no place in liberal uk.

im not so worried about face although of course its Basic humanity to see and resond to some one face,

its the symbol and what it represetns.

Lem - ok for you - ( unless a veil wearer)to have an Im alright jack attitude but please remember there is lots of sexism and curelty towards women in extremist relgions.

Quite simply Fanjo because I like to see peoples faces and facial expressions. I would feel the same reservations if I had to speak to someone wearing a balaclava or crash helmet.

I'm surprised so many won't click on link as don't want any funds going to DM
How much do they make per click?
Nothing else about this surprises me

Sorry LEM my bad

The burka/niqab are symbols of female oppression that have no place in Britain. Women before us gave their lives for the freedoms these women oppose.

I will not tolerate the intolerbale - that is not tolerance - it is turning a blind eye.

I woudl ban the wearing of the veil in public in this country. Period.

crikeylou, I take it that you therefore never speak to anyone on the phone?

Sandpipernest, does that mean you would ban people from wearing veils with wedding dresses? How about nuns who wear veils for some ceremonies? Or are you saying that it is only intolerable if it's a Muslim woman?

And, Sandpipernest, why does the fact that these women wear the veil mean that they oppose freedom? The fact that they choose it for themselves does not automatically mean that they believe all other women should do the same. Surely the freedom to choose includes the freedom to choose to wear the veil?

Sandpiper the idea that women in hijab oppose freedom is ridiculous and wrong.