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Daily Mail Has gone too far (again)

189 replies

DailyMailIsRacist · 16/06/2015 17:52

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3125530/The-breeding-ground-jihadis-ice-cream-lady-wears-burka-great-textile-town-Dewsbury-undergone-terrible-transformation.html

Why is a women in a burka selling ice cream terrifying to them.

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WorraLiberty · 16/06/2015 18:24

Oh and the 14 most visited U.K website

Probably due to all the bloody links to it, posted on MN Grin

Wolfcub · 16/06/2015 18:26

I totally agree op. The article had me apoplectic this morning.

Sparklingbrook · 16/06/2015 18:26

Exactly Worra Grin Only 14 though? What are the first 13?

WorraLiberty · 16/06/2015 18:27

The mind boggles Sparkling Grin

GeraldineFangedVagine · 16/06/2015 18:28

Was she selling ices or Isis? That will decide me on whether the picture is terriffying.

TessBrookes · 16/06/2015 18:29

But the mail article and the way its worded does not lead to any debate instead makes non muslims fear of muslims and muslims feel marginalised and made to feel as thought they are a problem.

They're bringing a valid question into the public forum though. How vast swathes of communities close ranks and don't integrate. Would this not cause a fear and intolerance between Muslims towards Western values? Could they not be easily manipulated if feeling disenchanted? I'm not saying all Muslims do, of course they don't. The majority mix and embrace Western life.
Oh, and people aren't going to suddenly be scared as they've seen a picture of an ice cream lady in a burka in the newspaper. If they're scared, then they're that way inclined anyway.

DailyMailIsRacist · 16/06/2015 18:32

Worra so as proved a random centre-leftie liberal like me is not in any going to effect readership or ad revenue for the mail

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Chipstick10 · 16/06/2015 18:35

It scares me shitless. Women wearing such oppressive garments makes me shudder.

DailyMailIsRacist · 16/06/2015 18:35

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JohnCusacksWife · 16/06/2015 18:37

While I don't find a woman in a burka/niqab terrifying I do admit to finding it unsettling. It's so contrary to our culture and seeing the human face is fundamental to face to face communication.

Icelandicsuperyoghurt · 16/06/2015 18:37

It's just the Mail doing what the Mail always does. Yes the demographic of Dewsbury and Bradford have changed massively since the 1950's. Ethnic groups will always tend to live in one area, especially when they first arrive in a country. The issue is the rise of extremism, where some people within the community become radicalised and end up doing what this latest young lad has done. Which is grim and needs to be addressed urgently somehow. But I imagine most people in Dewsbury are just getting on and living their lives. It's not scary, it's not terrifying, it's just a concentration of one ethnic group in one area. Which the Mail love to
round upon and reinforce every stereotype they possibly can.

The area I grew up in was a white lower middle white area before an influx of European Jews moved there from the 1900's to 1940's. If the Mail had been off on their UK rants then, they'd have focused on the little CofE primary school I went to, closing on Jewish holidays because it wasn't worth keeping it open for the handful of non-Jewish kids and suddenly needing to provide Jewish assemblies etc. How there were Jewish butchers selling their dubiously slaughtered meat, messy gardens, noisy kids, people wearing strange clothes and building synagogues everywhere and that the place was nothing like it used to be. However, we were all getting on with building up new lives, our neighbours were accepting and kind in the main but it would have been so easy to focus on the stuff the Mail loves to rant on about. The issue is surely extremism that they need to focus on, not that the ice cream lady wears a niqab.

Sparklingbrook · 16/06/2015 18:37

Haven't seen our ice cream man this summer yet. I would love a 99.

ggggllll · 16/06/2015 18:39

I see it as a flagrant, triumphant demonstration of men owning and controlling women right in our midst, and I know that's probably wrong and I'm an awful person for it etc.

Even if some or most choose burkha wearers to have their faces covered, I feel a forced change of garment is a small price to pay, to expose the cases where women are being made to wear them (much like the arguments people make about controlling the sex industry to stop exploitation).

I think a lot of shit done to women and children, and a lot of controlling evil and misogyny is being allowed to fly because our society won't "man up" for fear of seeming unreasonable.

CoffeeAndBiscuitsPlease · 16/06/2015 18:41

I literally just saw the headline and photo and came on here to rant about it. You beat me!

Terrorists are selling us ice cream! :(

JohnCusacksWife · 16/06/2015 18:42

But isn't it possible that extremism can more readily take root when communities are very insular and don't integrate with others? If people genuinely integrated and mixed with people from other communities then wouldn't we all be more likely to see that we're all the same, regardless of ethnicity or religion, which might help reduce the notion of "us" and "them"?

morelikeguidelines · 16/06/2015 18:45

On the plus side, she has a job and is therefore not being forced to stay at home scrubbing her husband's underpants or whatever.

Also the dm should be pleased to see someone not "scrounging " benefits. Grin

Icelandicsuperyoghurt · 16/06/2015 18:54

JohnCusacksWife It would really help if communities were intergrated and saw each other as individuals rather than 'others'. But how on earth you achieve that I don't know. Minority groups face a lot of discrimination, abuse and general hostility, so it ends up as safety in numbers. Establish your own community and you don't have to deal with these things as much. Then when world events draw attention back to a minority group, they stick together even closer and I don't know how you break down the barriers and help people become more open to one another.

MistressMia · 16/06/2015 19:41

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Charis1 · 16/06/2015 19:43

It is completely unreasonable to cover your face in a public facing role.

Timetoask · 16/06/2015 19:44

Because it's a sight that belongs in Saudi Arabia not in the UK!

SeenSheen · 16/06/2015 19:53

Shocking ! Shocking! Oh my god I daren't click on the link! Good old Mumsnet responses as expected whilst completely missing the point if the article.
As a few non hysterical souls have helpfully pointed out, the insular communities in this area is leading to extremist behaviour from within. And an ice cream lady in a niqab simply illustrates this point.

snowglobemouse · 16/06/2015 19:58

why did you namechange though...?

HesterShaw · 16/06/2015 19:58

That's not a burka.

Just sayin'.

HesterShaw · 16/06/2015 20:01

Remember when Shannon Matthews went missing? That was the first time I had heard of Dewsbury. When seeing it on the news I don't remember it being overwhelmingly one colour or another. Is there anyone FROM Dewsbury here who can actually explain what it's like?

FrancesNiadova · 16/06/2015 20:01

Maybe she's selling WMD....Whippy of Mass Devourment! (Oh G, I can see tomorrow's DailyFail headline. Stop!)
Can I have a flake with mine?