Daily Mail Has gone too far (again)

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3125530/The-breeding-ground-jihadis-ice-cream-lady-wears-burka-great-textile-town-Dewsbury-undergone-terrible-transformation.html

Why is a women in a burka selling ice cream terrifying to them.

For the record I know lots of Muslims who absolutely hate the niqab. Are they also racist?

It is an oppressive symbol. A symbol of girls and women, growing up in Britain, who are not allowed to have normal everyday conversation with men, who are denied education and often can not even speak English despite living in Britain for decades.

And more fundamentally face coverings such as balaclavas or crash helmets have ALWAYS been unacceptable in public-facing roles.

It does explain in the article, the process.

If you go here you can get stats: www.neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk

Kirklees as a borough has 225,751 Christians out of a population of 422,458.

In Kirklees 024A (Savile Town area) the population is 2,226, of which there are just 5 Christians, 3 with no religion, 6 Sikhs, no Hindus or Buddhists, 1 other, and the rest are either Muslim (2,111) or not stated (100). Those are the kind of figures you would expect in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia, not England.

Diversity is great, but this does not represent diversity, it's an Islamic monoculture, and when you've got people going off to fight for terrorists we should ask why.

And I see my original post has been deleted.

...No doubt reported by the usual resident monitors whose tactic of trying to shut down debate by crying racism is no longer working.

Is there anyone FROM Dewsbury here who can actually explain what it's like?

I'm from West Yorkshire. Yorkshire born and bred, and can tell you certain places within ARE a VERY segregated community and very Muslim orientated. Certain places are where all bands together. Obviously it's not ALL cut off, but there is an underbelly where there's a lot of sticking together too of beliefs.
When this is all you see and your people believe, then it's not hard to see why so many people get so disengaged from the Western community when their 'people' are actively denouncing it and declaring it as wrong.

I'm also from Dewsbury, but have since moved to nearby Huddersfield. I echo what Discogeek has to say. Dewsbury has changed enormously since I was growing up in the 80's. It was once quite a vibrant town but there is nothing left, there. Pockets of different ethnic groups live in certain areas and do not mix. My parents still live quite near to Saville Town (3 miles away) and while once, I as a white person would happily walk around there, I now feel uncomfortable in the local supermarket.It is a real shame. There are extremes on both sides. The BNP has always been rife in Dewsbury. Indeed, there are annual marches!
The sharia court (housed in an old pub) is a worrying development for many people.Huddersfield is much more gelled, people seem much more accepting of one another.

What you are saying is completely true and it is a case of people grouping together. All well and good when it's groups grouping together for combined beliefs. When it comes to grouping together for more than that it goes too far.
BNP marches I'd never be OK with. If there's a sharia court held in a British town though, you can start to sympathise a little bit when they start to protest. Not something I'd ever have thought I'd say before that comment!

But being a middle-aged, not particularly attractive woman also screams "don't look at me", at least to some people.

Immigrants are going to cluster together, partly because of language barriers. Every group of immigrants to the U.S. pretty much did that, then their children and grandchildren dispersed. It's hard to socialize in a language you're not fluent in, and younger people have a much easier time learning a language. Expats in other countries tend to cluster, too, from what I've heard, probably for similar reasons.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the UK has a lot of areas that haven't been settled for a long time. Of course immigrants have to move into areas that were previously settled by different groups, there is nowhere else for them to live. We've got more space in the US, but there's often a reason why sparsely populated areas are that way. Non-immigrants aren't lining up to live there either.

It does occur to me that if I were an ice-cream seller, wearing a burka could be quite a handy way to stop myself from scoffing all my wares....

It does occur to me that if I were an ice-cream seller, wearing a burka could be quite a handy way to stop myself from scoffing all my wares....

There was once a book of short Mr Men stories, where Mr Greedy bought a diver's suit and full-face helmet to stop himself eating his entire weekly shop on the way home!

I need to call my best friend. His is Muslim and hates the way women are treated in his community. Neither of us realised it was racist...he best stop his objections.

Does he compare all Muslims to the KKK?

Does he imply that all Muslims in traditional dress are suicide bombers? Or that they shouldn't wear it but must try to fit in because it's alien to our culture? All those are what I think is racist. (Yes yes Islam is not a race..semantics)

Or does he have an issue with the attitude to women in Islam?which is different and fair enough point.

Or maybe he refers to people as 'coconuts' like Mia..not a racist term at all

Fanjo he feel they shouldn't be worn I'm this country, because it's a barrier to integration. He feels you can integrate and keep your religious identity. He also feels it's oppressive an would prefer no Muslims to wear or forces to wear them. He also wouldn't liken this clothing to the Star of David (an example some one used earlier£ due to the fact that as humans we communicate using facial expressions etc. a piece of jewellery does not stop that.

And yea he is very concerned about radicalisation. Both as a British citizen worried about the safety of his country and as a Muslim worried about people in his community targeting vulnerable people to carry out their 'dirty work'

As always with the Mail the article is written in such a way to whip up strong feelings in their core readership base.

Having said that it does highlight valid concerns about huge cultural shift that has taken place in a very short period of time.

^Danny also blames the ever- widening cultural chasm on local white liberal politicians who, over decades, signed up to the dogma of multiculturalism.
‘They did not expect new immigrants to respect British ways or Western values, but encouraged them to develop their own culture with no questions asked,’ he explains.^

Having lived in an area with mainly muslims and immigrants I actually think there is some truth in the above.

I'm sure the comments on the Burka could start a thread of their own here as well.

waits to be called racist

I will just call you goady instead for that last comment.

I just think that forbidding people to wear religious dress as it's a barrier to assimilating in our culture is fundamentally wrong. It shouldn't be a barrier as our culture should accept everyone whatever they wear. People should look beyond it at the person underneath. Yes there are extremists but not everyone wearing traditional dress is one. People who say traditional dress should not be worn are perpetuating the stereotypes I feel. Which are definitely out there...see this article. A hostile climate like this will only encourage extremism not remove it.

Three points:

Haven't read the article.

Sorry to see a MistressMia post being deleted; she is from a Muslim background and always has something interesting to say.

The phrase 'non-Muslim' for anyone who isn't Muslim needs to be discarded. I lived 50 years in England before I started hearing it being applied to people like me. It has as much meaning as describing someone as a non-golfer. Can you imagine if newspapers and other media routinely described the majority of the people in the country as 'non-Jews' (for instance)? Has anyone else thought about how weird it sounds?

Obviously extremism is wrong.

IMO tarring everyone as extremists because of what they wear is also wrong

Fanjo - People should look beyond it at the person underneath.
Umm, but you can't see the person underneath, that is part of the problem. When you see young girls walking to school with practically their whole face covered you do not have to be 'goady' or a racist to see this is oppressive and wrong.

As typical with MN anyone who expresses a non-mainstream view on these matters is labelled as goady, racist, ignorant, etc.

Give it a rest with the poor oppressed women. Many/most of these women are voluntarily covering up, often in defiance of their men wishing otherwise.

MistressMia, how on earth do you think the custom of covering up arose if not because it was imposed on women by a male-centric religion? Your suggestion that this women is to be viewed as a potential Jihadi terrorist purely because she wears a niqab is, frankly, utterly absurd.

i don't know about the daily mail but Dave Gorman did make a very good point about the logistics of EATING an ice cream in a burqa.

Anyone with a brain ignores the daily mail anyway.

The message the niqab and burka gives to me is that these women are saying they dont want to communicate with me, this will hardly lead to an integration of communities so many of you wish for.

If they are not willing to make the effort then neither am I.

Viewing the dress as oppressive to the women fair enough.

Viewing the women as automatically terrorists or alien to our culture. ..racist. hope that helps.

Love the way people call xenophobic views "non mainstream" and think that's why some people object to them.

I think reporting like that is very dangerous and irresponsible.

However, the DM gets away with it and the PCC doesn't seem to care.