Daily Mail Has gone too far (again)

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3125530/The-breeding-ground-jihadis-ice-cream-lady-wears-burka-great-textile-town-Dewsbury-undergone-terrible-transformation.html

Why is a women in a burka selling ice cream terrifying to them.

I hate the DM, but I don't like seeing women completely covered. I want to see someone's face, especially if she is serving me, it seems out of place and unfriendly to me.

That rag is going to be directly responsible for someone being killed in a hate crime, if it hasn't happened already.
The reader comments were equally depressing. "Why do they have Disney characters on the ice cream van if they hate the West so much?", inquires one dimwit. Why on earth do they assume people "hate the West"?
People confuse devout and radical. It's worrying.

Well Bake you can think what you like, but luckily in the UK we have the right to wear what we like.

Luckily.

The only reason the DM hasn't managed to incite a hate crime yet is that it's readership is mainly female and over 60. Not likely to be out boozing and getting into scrapes. They are more likely to expound their mad views over Sunday lunch with the family I'm looking at you Mother

I live in Yorkshire, born and bred here.

The areas that are mainly Asian Muslim, or Bangladeshi or black are always the very poorest areas which have witnessed extend white flight. I've seen lived amongst it myself growing up. As the Muslim Asians become more affluent (all the ones in our area seen to be professionals, Dr, nurses, lawyers, hca, teachers etc) they move from inert City areas to suburbs. Over next few years white residents begin to move out of the area and remove their children from the schools. What ensues is bizarre and untrue accusations about non integration, Muslims building ghettos that whites are not welcome into etc etc. I speak from experience when I say that non segregation had been a long standing issue in some northern cities and towns and it is not entirely the fault of Muslims.

Is it any wonder at all that the young Muslims become totally alienated? Physically and metaphorically. We need to address segregation and the reasons why young Muslims are joining isis, not attack some woman who is trying like the rest of us to make a living and putting food on the table for her family.

Being from Muslim background doesn't make you the authority on the issue or allow you to shut down a debate

Mm is still only giving her opinion - based on a fairly negative view I feel

Plenty of Muslim women make choices free of oppression and plenty of none Muslim men oppress women

I have no issue with choosing to cover up and I think we need to move away from only seeing specific groups as oppressors

Mistress - I am white but some of your posts are offensive and racist. Especially the use of the word coconut to describe modern Muslims. I live in a multicultural area and know how offensive that word can be and how much it is despised by people. I won't report your post because I think it is good for people to see how one sided and extreme your views are.

If you don't like it, don't read it. It can't be a surprise to anyone (now) what the Daily Mail's about. For me personally they often go beyond the acceptable and from time to time appeal to the lowest common denominator (whilst giving the impression that they're not)

That said though, it's a very very very successful paper. I read it (or the online version) for the same reason I read the Sun (many moons ago). It's very widely read, and I'm interested in what's informing public opinion. I read the Guardian becasue I like to have my view challenged (I'm generally right of centre).

The most distressing thing about the picture for me is the errant apostrophe!

I think the burka is a ridiculous idea. How you can see and interact with people properly is questionable. But, if people are daft enough to wear one fine, they're free to do so and I don't really care if they decide to sell icecream while doing it.

If you choose to cover your face when you interact with people they cannot read your facial cues, if they are hard of hearing (like me) they cannot read your lips.

If you want to cover your hair and everything else that does not inhibit communication.

It is oddly both silencing and empowering, you can say what you like without your face giving you away, but you can also be ignored more easily.

How many times have people said things on here that they would never say 'face to face', there is a reason why we have that expression?

Oh God the stupidity...

stupid enough to wear a burkah?

oh . just. fuck. off

excellent post bakingnovoice

I was reading GQ the other day (DP gets it) and there was an interview in it with some media figure/formula one guy who really went off against the Daily Mail and Paul Dacre the editor. I mentioned it to DP and he was like 'yeah, that paper is fucking poisonous, it's the voice of the whingy man down the pub - only it has a whole lot more credibility.'

I am guilty of reading it though - the Femail section is kind of entertaining and addictive in a trashy way - so I don't know. Is it poison? The article posted by the OP is horrible though. I hate their anti muslin tone, but surely if you just click the other articles it's OK.?

Yes it is poison. Not harmless fun.

If you read any article online there are always lots of Islamophobic comments.where do you think this climate has come from?

Also all the benefit bashing and the cuts.

I should say the calling for cuts and acceptance of cuts to disability benefits.

Well I would argue that the doctrine preached by Tablighi Jamaat, which has its European HQ in Dewsbury according to the article, is a far more potent 'poison'. Interesting that most posters appear more concerned about the Daily Mail's ice-cream picture than about the growing presence in Britain of this ultra-orthodox sect, which would happily drag all of us back to the dark ages.

In some ways, of course, the Daily Mail and Tablighi Jamaat are two sides of the same coin, but to condemn one whilst maintaining a tolerant view towards the other is surely madness.

Twittertwit the Daily fail article's description is a total misrepresentation of tabligh jamaat. Dont believe everything you read. Here is a more balanced view.

www.independent.co.uk/incoming/the-organisation-behind-the-newham-mosque-plans-8386805.html

You can critique them for being quite inward looking (they concentrate their effort primarily on muslims rather than trying to proselytize to people who are not muslim) however they certainly do not espouse a violent or political rhetoric.

We have 3 ice cream vans around here. 2 are driven by Asians. Those who do not wish to buy ixe cream for them wait for the white guy in his van. That is by far the busiest van at the park

its not just Muslim's they hate. its benefit claimants. immigration. working mums sahms . women. the disabled.

in short. its poison.

Just because we hate the Daily Mail doesn't mean we approve of extremism. That is a very extreme view in itself

"Here is a more balanced view. "

Yeah right, more balanced, I mean they are just like the C of E aren't they? Or those Methodists, they are CONSTANTLY inspiring people to go off and fight in Syria aren't they?

Oh wait, no.

I live near Dewsbury, and I don't really think it is accurate to position the situation in Dewsbury as a "Muslim" issue at all.

I think the "Muslim" label in these circumstances confuses and obsfucates, and it is noticeable how no-one ever refers to Arab, Turkish, Kurdish, North African or Central Asian communities in Britain as "Muslim" in the same way.

I would suggest that the problem in Dewsbury is two-fold: you have a immigrant community that originally came from a very undeveloped part of the Indian sub-continent and has continuously practiced chain migration, and you have a religious sect that functions very much like a puritanical cult.

A point to note is that Tablighi Jamaat is a product of the Indian subcontinent, and its adherents are overwhelmingly of that background. This may go some way to explain why some members of the Savile Town community in Dewsbury appear to harbour animosity towards people from an Arab or Kurdish Muslim background -- apparently, they are perceived as "the wrong kind" of Sunni muslims.

Indeed, there was a rather shocking case a few years ago of GBH against a young Iraqi asylum seeker by members of the Savile Town community, and the young man was left with severe brain damage.

In light of this, I think it is very interesting that you are getting young men from this area joining ISIS, which is basically engaged in a campaign of slaughter against Arabs, Kurds and other minorities in the Middle East.

Put it this way, the cynical part of me strongly suspects no-one from Dewsbury would join ISIS if their theatre of war were in Pakistan.

No LEM.

The stupidity comment was directed towards those hard of thinking who find women wearing burkas scary or weird.

Wasn't Shannon Matthews from dewsbury ? Didn't see the mail calling it a hot bed of shit parenting

Inspiring people to go off to fight to Syria? You really dont know what your talking about do you.

Read the article or if you want to understand a bit more about their ideology google it. Tabligh are very anti jihad you would never hear them inspiring or encouraging people to fight anywhere. Other criticism might have some basis but they would certainly not encourage young people to join isis a group that would consider them deviant at best or outright apostates (more likely).