Daily Mail Has gone too far (again)

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3125530/The-breeding-ground-jihadis-ice-cream-lady-wears-burka-great-textile-town-Dewsbury-undergone-terrible-transformation.html

Why is a women in a burka selling ice cream terrifying to them.

i don't like the niqab . it literally screams 'do not talk to me/look at me'
you can't integrate with people that cover their full face.
Above all I find it a really rude piece of clothing .

I've never seen an ice cream woman wearing a burka - looks like a scene from a Peter Kay show.

Yanbu. Daily mail is attacking individual people now. Sickening.

I hate the way that it is the woman wearing the niqab who gets demonised, rather than the man or men who are responsible for the fact that she feels she has to. I couldn't disagree more with posters like Charis1 and maxxytoe in that respect.

I really don't feel that this sort of garment should be banned, simply because the only result of that will be that some women will not be allowed out of the home at all, or else they will be forced to go out wearing it and risk arrest. I think all we can do is to do our best by way of education and otherwise to bring about a society where there is genuine equality for all women and no-one feels they have to wear things like this.

Hello cohorts...

OP, why NC for such an innocuous thread? You've helped them achieved a greater reach as I just clicked on the link to read the article thus contributing to their overall hits.

Out of interest OP, why should the cut of be 15? I'm referring to your earlier statement:

The burka imo is wrong and i think government should ban it for under 15s.

Here we go again. Let's find something racist and get ourselves all worked up about it. I am sure if you read it tomorrow you'll find another article! And then there might even be annother one at the weekend! Yay!

Icimoi Give it a rest with the poor oppressed women. Many/most of these women are voluntarily covering up, often in defiance of their men wishing otherwise.

The 3 sisters who've gone to join ISIS taking 9 young kids with them went WITHOUT their husbands. The men are in the papers today pleading for them to come back.

How many Jihadi brides and female suicide bombers will it take before you stop infantilising muslim women and automatically placing them under male guardianship.

She is selling ice cream. Why does it matter if you can see her face? Hand over the cash, accept ice cream. Eat ice cream. Yum. End of story.

Orangevase addressing racism is not a waste of time

I lived/worked in Dewsbury 1997-1999 (so a long time ago now!)

It was predominantly white. Lovely people, hard working, friendly. Two local police officers in the main town centre, who everyone knew (criminals and non criminals alike!) Lots of little old dears shopping in our shop (major UK retailer 'British'). Honestly, cannot recall seeing a 'non white' face (sorry, don't know how else to put it)

So, I would say, this is possibly the point that the paper is making? (albeit badly) I actually can't imagine it as anything other than how I remember it. The change, to me, does sound enormous.

MistressMia you are actually saying that because of the woman's dress and the fact there have been suicide bombers in her area, her outfit is comparable to a KKK outfit?

Wow

If you think the niqab should be banned in state / public places, I assume you feel the same about a cross or a star of David?
Incidentally, as a secularist, I do think that representations of faith should be kept out of schools, government buildings etc. I'm just not sure why you specifically want to pick on one religion. You might scream oppression, plenty of people choosing to wear a full face veil would call it freedom.

I'm from Dewsbury.

The daily mail article is appalling and shows just how little 'research' the reporter actually did in the area.

Saville Town (as mentioned in the article) is indeed a mainly Asian community. Every area bordering this part of town is a mainly white area. The two rarely mix & this is a problem in the town & has been for many years.

Dewsbury is such a racist town and there are parts of the town Asian families are not able to live in due to violence and hatred against them.

However things are being done to try and solve this and the community is working on this. Articles that whip people into a frenzy like this one do so much damage.

It annoyed me there was no mention of the educating Yorkshire school that is minutes away from Saville town and where so much positive work is being done.

I don't know the answer to how we support communities against extremism but it's not done by this fucking awful daily mail shite that's for certain.

Apologies for the garbled rant, it's made me so cross I can barely type a sentence!!

Discogeek - thanks for coming on here and giving some informed background.

Interesting post discogeek.

not rtft but the DM staff are idiots it's not actually a burka - such a shame they don't know their burka from their niqab. Sigh.

I'm also from Dewsbury, but have since moved to nearby Huddersfield. I echo what Discogeek has to say.

Dewsbury has changed enormously since I was growing up in the 80's. It was once quite a vibrant town but there is nothing left, there. Pockets of different ethnic groups live in certain areas and do not mix. My parents still live quite near to Saville Town (3 miles away) and while once, I as a white person would happily walk around there, I now feel uncomfortable in the local supermarket.

It is a real shame. There are extremes on both sides. The BNP has always been rife in Dewsbury. Indeed, there are annual marches!

The sharia court (housed in an old pub) is a worrying development for many people.

Huddersfield is much more gelled, people seem much more accepting of one another.

My fear is that this is not the last we hear of Dewsbury regarding things like this.

My ice cream man is Muslim and is well fit

I read the comments under the article, someone defended the niqab by comparing it to a sweet wrapper, because if you dropped a sweet on the floor you wouldn't pick it up if it didn't have a wrapper. Lovely.

Never seen so many comments under an article, it's certainly got them frothing.

In a UK context a niqab is clearly not comparable to a cross, Star of David, Kara etc. The covering of the face is entirely alien to our culture and many people find it unsettling and incompatible with any meaningful integration into UK society. It's more than an expression of faith....it's a way of keeping its wearers apart from the rest of society and "other".

Many people with racist leanings, maybe

Why is it racist?

I feel so so sorry for Muslims in world. They are everyone's favourite target. And as for the late saying 'why can't we openly discuss terrorism without offending?' It's all the world has done since 9/11.

I am beginning to slightly understand why so many Muslim people in the West are so completely alienated from society.

My ice cream van man is a Muslim and wears a long dress type outfit and white hat. He's lovely though and always gives my kids in the street a free flake. It's disturbing that individuals are now being attacked like this.

Fanjo objections are always about racism for you aren't they ?

I guess the thousands of muslim secularists who oppose it in muslim and non-muslim countries also are closet BNP-ers. Or rather they see the Niqab and Burqa for what they are which is a symbol of Political Islam. An ideology that is every bit as vile and fascist as the KKK and hence my analogy.