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Game of Thrones - I'm not watching any more

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ReadtheSmallPrint · 08/06/2015 21:06

It's just gone too far for me. A good book series is ruined for.

Where the Stannis Baratheon storyline can go from here is anyone's guess...

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Tonberry · 09/06/2015 11:16

Davos lost his on the Blackwater, in part due to Stannis and his fight for the throne, but he didn't blame Stannis. He lost his the ends of his fingers for smuggling and thought it fair. He didn't agree with the way Maester Cressen was sidelined and then poisoned but he didn't publicly object. He speaks truthfully to Stannis but even when he doesn't agree he stays loyal. Killing Shireen is going to be the thing that breaks that loyalty and it'll be the end for Stannis. Davos knows all his secrets, he knows his weaknesses, he knows where Gendry is stashed, and he's a smuggler so he knows how to run and hide where he can't be found.

Out of all the characters in the books and TV show Davos is the one I really want to survive it all. I want him to be retired on a little island somewhere with a fishing boat and his wife and a cosy little cottage Grin

CatOfTheForest · 09/06/2015 11:16

Oh it was awful and I had to leave the room. I loved Shireen and her scene with Davos was heartbreaking.

I think Davos will ultimately end up uniting with Dani and Tyrion against Stannis after that.

Tonberry · 09/06/2015 11:18

Littlefinger is really, really stupid and somehow doesn't know what Ramsay is like, even though the entire north does etc.

Is he? I think he did know but he also knew that if he told Sansa she wouldn't have married him. I think he needed her to be in a bad marriage to prod the North into rising and getting rid of the Boltons. I think once that's done, he'll swoop in like her saviour and propose his own marriage in order to get Winterfell.

ttc2015 · 09/06/2015 11:19

Of course little finger knows sansa will be raped and abused, he just doesnt care. He wants sansa as his but needs a better position, he also wants the north and south in his pockets too.

Now he's in line for warden of the north and to sweep in, rescue sansa and get her all thankful and vulnerable. He is just biding his time.

CatOfTheForest · 09/06/2015 11:20

I also noticed Liam Cunningham is rising up the billing in the opening titles, suggesting he's becoming a much bigger player.

I did read some entertaining blog posts about the Shireen storyline (needed the light relief) One was v. funny about Selyse making Cersei look like mum of the year :o

HearCerseiRoar · 09/06/2015 11:20

MistressChalk Was it 120 Days of Sodom, by any chance?

As for GoT, I am a huge fan of the books and the tv show but, as a book reader, I found myself starting to get quite irate during this season...my DH advised me to view the books and the tv show as two separate entities, which I am trying to do...BUT it's so bloody hard!

IMO, poor Shireen is obviously going to meet with a sticky end at the hands of Selyse and Melissandre in the books, from what has been implied and hinted at (and now confirmed by the tv show), but I really don't think Stannis will have anything to do with it. To have him be a part of his daughter's death in the tv show is another ridiculous move.

HFarnsworth20 · 09/06/2015 11:21

OfaFrenchMind

Dammit!! I take it back!!

CatOfTheForest · 09/06/2015 11:26

Yes I think Littlefinger initially just thought he'd bag Sansa until he realised she's a canny customer with a massive vendetta and at Winterfell she would be provoked into causing a huge shitstorm. I hate the rape scenes (not to mention the flaying ugh) but Ramsay is shaping up like Viserys and Joffrey, just so evil and appalling that it's incredibly compelling watching the build-up to their come-uppance.

I generally hate violence and death scenes on telly, but GoT has such great villains that sometimes when they meet a gruesome end it is kind of satisfying. I though Joffrey's death was amazing - the build-up of tension and the acting.

badtime · 09/06/2015 11:37

HearCersei, did you not feel that GOT has been making Stannis a bit shit all along so there would be no legitimate challenger to Dany that anybody actually liked?

Compared to the people I know who read ASOIAF, people I know who only watch GOT really don't like Stannis much.

ExitPursuedByABear · 09/06/2015 11:39

Is there another book planned then? I very much hope so as I found the end of the last one most disastisfying.

Haven't bothered with the TV show.

Fromparistoberlin73 · 09/06/2015 12:00

HearCerseiRoar, thats exzactly what I thought too! why wont she tell us
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HearCerseiRoar · 09/06/2015 12:03

badtime Yeah, I do feel a little like that tbh. I feel like the tv show started off in the spirit of the books, with 'grey' characters, all morally ambiguous and no real villains or heroes...but, by the end of season 3 and with the tv show growing in popularity, I think their versions of the characters have definitely become more typically 'good' or 'bad' with very little in between.

For example - Dany, who is very popular with tv show viewers, is a heroine, her actions and notices are pure, anything 'bad' she does has an explanation behind it to make her more palpable to viewers. IMO, as much as I do actually like Dany, she definitely has a touch of the Targaryen madness - she has totally bought into her own legend, at least up until the end of A Dance With Dragons where she goes through a kind of epiphany/rebirth.

Tyrion, another favourite of the viewers and a character I really love, has also been 'whitewashed' - in the books, his actions and motives are sometimes selfish, often quite dark. And yet, as with Dany, much of this is avoided in the tv show and Tyrion is made into a 'good' character, with excuses for his behaviour etc - example: he hasn't asked to be allowed to rape and murder Cersei as a reward yet in the tv show...because, in the tv show, behaviour like that is limited to the truly 'evil' characters: the Freys, the Boltons, Joffrey, Craster etc...

Meanwhile, Stannis has been growing in popularity this season. I'm quite a fan of both book Stannis and tv Stannis so I enjoyed seeing all the posts on Facebook and Twitter praising him for his interactions with Jon Snow and Shireen. A cynical little part of me can't help but think that the masterminds behind the tv show saw these posts too and weren't very happy - after all, Dany is their pet and it just wouldn't do to have that old lobster Stannis upstage her, would it? Wink

Pfffft. Cersei is my favourite character anyway. Looking forward to seeing more of her storyline next week hopefully Wine

Arghhhhh! Rant over. Sorry for long, thread hijacking post.

HFarnsworth20 · 09/06/2015 12:05

I'm afraid I also can't stand Melisandre as a character. I think the show basically grinds to a halt around her. The "witchy temptress" is such an unoriginal character.

She was more interesting in the few scenes in season 3 with Beric, which gave her some context.

HearCerseiRoar · 09/06/2015 12:05

I'm sticking with 120 Days until she confirms, Fromparis... Wink

HFarnsworth20 · 09/06/2015 12:07

Dany, who is very popular with tv show viewers, is a heroine, her actions and notices are pure

I think that the show has nodded towards, if not explicitly shown, that Dany is much more attracted to the idea of ruling 'fairly' than she is capable of dealing with the reality of imposing that fairness?

diddl · 09/06/2015 12:08

I don't watch this-keep meaning to.

Not sure if I will now if that wasn't one of the worst scenes!

It was the screaming that got me (son was watching) & it seem to go on & on as I was walking away.

Couldn't help thinking it was too much.

But then for me the idea was bad enough & showing as little as possible would have done me!

Then saw the end bit where the girl with the ridiculously blond hair got on the dragon leaving behind those that had helped her.

Couldn't they all have fitted??Grin

BigRedBall · 09/06/2015 12:11

I cannot believe she just got on that dragon and flew off...

I got up to this post because I'm intrigued by the attention this programme generates and thought WTAF?! Dragons belong in Shrek! What a load of shit!

Alisvolatpropiis · 09/06/2015 12:14

Haha Big! Dragons aren't a massive feature, it's mostly a sort medieval belief in "magic" going on.

BeyondDoesBootcamp · 09/06/2015 12:15

I imagine there arent many other people wondering if the stone bits would burn?

buntingbingo · 09/06/2015 12:16

I must be very cold hearted but it's just a tv show.
A fictional story in which lots of very nasty things happen. Why didn't you stop watching when they went round murdering all the little 'bastard' children on Robert B? That was pretty shocking.

HearCerseiRoar · 09/06/2015 12:18

It was that whole "I'm going to break the wheel" line that really got to me HFarnsworth - I like the idea of Dany being a champion of the smallfolk (who really do get a shit deal in the books and tv show) but she needs the great Houses on her side if she ever hopes to rule in Westeros. She can't just round the leaders of the the noble Houses up and have them all murdered, an idea she has toyed with in Meereen and the other slave cities. For one, lots of the smaller Houses and the smallfolk are insanely loyal to their liege lords, serving them first and foremost, even above the King/Queen - especially in the North and Dorne. Aegon the Conqueror knew that...hell, even Cersei knows that, despite her distaste for the common people. That's why she told Joff in season one that his idea of a royal army would never work.

Dany has so much potential but I get so frustrated with her! Hopefully she will really come into her own in the next book/season.

CatOfTheForest · 09/06/2015 12:37

I'm afraid I also can't stand Melisandre as a character. I think the show basically grinds to a halt around her. The "witchy temptress" is such an unoriginal character

TOTALLY agree Farnsworth, that "I'm witchy and evil and sooooo sexy" thing is so boring, and she really lacks the oomph of so many of the other characters. I think what GoT is amazing at though, is really, really original and incredibly detailed and interesting characters – Brienne of Tarth is a good example, Tyrion, Arya, Samwell – so when there is a cliched, nothingy character it really looks dreadful.

I don't agree they're losing the shades of grey though - Dany is getting more complex and nuanced, not less – she starts out just wanting to be a do-gooder and she realises she really has to get her hands dirty and it's not that simple. Tyrion has an incredibly dark side and what I love about him is his understanding of it and how he consciously combines morality and amorality.

MistressChalk · 09/06/2015 12:47

HearCersei and FromParis, yes it was, I suddenly got a bit torn as to whether or not to advertise the name of it for some reason. I think because I don't want people to go and pick it up thinking 'ooh I wonder what's so bad about it!'. We studied Sade's philosophy on the human desire for violence and sex, very interesting stuff and I personally see an awful lot of truth in it. People hate it when you try and explain that point to them though and I always secretly think 'yeah because deep down you know it bears some truth'. That's why these shows exist and why I've switched off with GOT. Its not the viewers I have any issue against, its entertainment after all. It's the writers.

tutorproof · 09/06/2015 12:52

It was upsetting but was fairly clear that it was coming.

Dany riding off at the end did look like some 80s Whitesnake video though - I thought DH would need a cold shower. Smile

Can someone tell me where Bran is supposed to be during this time? a levels?

BigRedBall · 09/06/2015 13:06

Medieval magic Confused...nah. Still not doing it for me!

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