Parent and child spaces - would you sign this petition?

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A woman has set up a petition for safeguarding parent and parking spaces for under 5s here

I can honestly say in RL I have never felt the need to discuss P&C car parking.

I have always thought they were a cynical ploy by retailers to get parents to spend money in their emporiums with the lure of being able to park closer. Nothing more.

I don't understand these threads., no you clearly don't TwelveLeggedWalk' as your analogy of the Tommee Tippee machine does not mean that, by having that machine, your friends are making anyone else go further for for their water does it?

Actually MissD I said the opposite upthread. That our local Sainsbo's has the right idea - BB badge spaces (and a LOT of them) right near the door. P&C spaces right down the other end, but at the end of a pedestrian walkway so you don't have to cross the carpark.

Not making anyone walk any further (apart from the workmen who nick the P&C spaces to get their vans in)

Just catching up but couldn't get past the bit where Sing says not getting a p&c space made her life harder.
Ffs, it's parking a bloody car and getting a small child/children out. Get a grip. Many of us had to do it all the time before p&c spaces were even invented.
And I'm sure I'm not the only who can honestly say it didn't make my life the slightest bit harder.

It's strange, I have been to legoland today. The cars where squeezed into the massive car park but you know all those families managed to get in and out of the their cars. How they managed it I really don't know!

Ooh now Legoland. When I went in 2003 they were charging £10 extra to allow you to park near the entrance.

A person recovering from brain surgery or a parent with an 8 year old who can't manage a seat belt )an example given up thread as why P&C soaces are "needed")- it's not hard to work out which one would have a real and material benefit from using an easy access space near the store.
And it isn't the parent child combo.

I was the brain tumour patient who dared to use one, I was given short shift over the page from Singsong for my crime of not feeling up to walking further but daring to go to the shops.
Having a disabled husband and an autistic child makes you get up and about quickly!
It's almost unbelievable that I would have been expected to give way to an 8 year old who struggled with a seat belt by some posters on here.

Only 48 more signatures in 11 hours, despite all the publicity. Not a success!

If I'd not seen it with my own eyes sauvignon I wouldn't have believed someone could be so bloody ridiculous. The attitude from some parents on this thread and how their special snowflakes need the space more than anyone else is shocking.

If I lose my blue badge I will have no qualms about using a P&C space, tbh.

Here you go Singsongsung, here's a post about my brain surgery from last year. As you were so concerned about me.

Take heart that it's only really one person who is being outrageously difficult and rude.
I'm still wondering why you wouldn't teach the 8 year old to manage the seat belt rather than using it as a reason to park in a PI&C space.

I just bung my lot out without car seats and carry/hold on their arm across car park dependent on age. I suppose it bothers long term car drivers more whereas with my first 2 I walked around 5 miles + a day with them. I could never see any situation in a car park as inconvinient.

Thanks, TheFairyCaravan I'm off for and to make dinner. This thread has given me more brain ache than my tumour did!

How are you doing now sauvignon? Ignore sing. Anyone who can say compare shopping with a baby is on a par with having a physical disability and has no understanding that brain surgery might affect someone's ability to get around the supermarket car park must be being deliberately provocative. I can't believe anyone actually thinks like that.

say not say compare

I think it's entirely reasonable to be concerned that someone who can't manage the extra steps after brain surgery of all things would struggle in a supermarket. They're hellish places at the best of times let alone when recovering from such a trauma.

I'm impressed that you managed the experience at all and very surprised (genuinely) that a parking space a few feet nearer the door made all the difference to your ability to manage it given what you must have had to deal with on the way there or once inside the place. That was my point.

It is another reason why I support the idea of temporary disabled badges. After all you had to cope every where else. Had you been given a temporary blue badge during your recovery you may have had less of a struggle.

Our local Sainsbury has it right...oodles of disabled spaces (we have a large elderly population) right by the door, then a row of p&c spaces on the other side of the car park. But at the edge, so you can walk round the wide walkways to the door, and there is a trolley park right there too. I rarely use them as I'd rather park closer, and despite there only being about 5 or 6 there is normally one or two empty.

There are very often not enough disabled spaces for permanent blue badge holders, so introducing temporary ones would make it harder for disabled people to park. Not to mention the cost of bringing in temporary bb's. Just so long as the precious mummies are not incinveninenced, hey?

*inconvenienced

But Fairy, if you are recovering from brain surgery, or have your leg in plaster etc etc to the point where you are struggling to remain mobile then surely you ARE disabled- albeit temporary.

Your argument there is for more disabled spaces to be provided, not for those selfish mums to park elsewhere.

"If toddler won't walk then pick up and carry them. Again doable with a pram."

I'm not saying that I agree with a lot of what's on this thread in terms of pro-P&C spaces, but I do find this statement a bit sweeping - actually no, I could not pick up my toddler and carry him. Neither of them, as I have far too much back/hip pain after a few seconds to do so. However, I did make good use of harness and reins so that they could not escape into the traffic. I think life could be a lot simpler for far more parents if they used reins. I know there are some children who simply refuse to wear them, or refuse to budge if they have them on - but I doubt it's all of them.