Parent and child spaces - would you sign this petition?

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A woman has set up a petition for safeguarding parent and parking spaces for under 5s here

these threads just make me want to go and park in one.
just to piss the people like the petition maker who mentions BB
ffs no comparison

So Singsong, by not tackling older people or people who don't actually 'jog' into the supermarket are you maybe admitting that yes, there are other people who are entitled to use those spaces?

So when the young jogging builder took the last P&C place, you still managed to park elsewhere, get out of your car with child and go in to complain about it?

See there you go Hazel. I knew that in both those cases they were more entitled than me- despite clearly being totally selfish they obviously were not as selfish as a parent with a young child hey.

I did manage yes. I squeezed my baby out of the small space available. Hard work but not impossible.

Bit like walking those extra 10 steps hey.

Oh and I haven't had a go directly at anyone for their parking choices because I'm not an aggressive thug who goes around shouting at people!

Ah well at least you managed and got to complain as well. That's the main thing.

Ok sing, there is no need for the sarcasm, I am just saying that there are reasons, sometimes there aren't, but something as dramatic as the Brian Holmes case kind of demonstrates why all this rage over parking spaces is just crazy. I have squeezed babies out too, lots of us have, and still manage to get them in and out of cars without causing too much of a fuss!

She's not actually even comparing the parking bay or the need for the bay to a disabled bay.

She's comparing the permit. And not even comparing it on need or anything like that she's just saying that both are permits.which is true one entitles you to utilise disabled bays and any other legal area to park in the other would entitle you to just use the P&c spaces.

How many threads do we see where "campaign for it just like disabled people did" gets thrown around (admittedly it's normally about buggy spaces on busses) she's just doing that. She has at no time said the need is the same

I would sign a petition to push for parking spaces being bigger full stop. I dont know who set the standard but its woefully inadequate. Cars are bigger nowadays and many (like mine) are three door.

Well Singsong, if you really object to elderly people parking in 'your' spaces how come you don't complain and report them, yet you reported a young man in a van.
You do seem to have some innate understanding of why other people as well as parents should use these spaces, but are unwilling to admit it.

Ballet- if I complained every time someone without a child parked in a p&c space then I'd never get the shopping done. Those two situations particularly infuriated me as both made my life harder without any valid reason. You've got to be something of a selfish idiot to park in the hatched area next to a p&c space don't you think?

Yes, but this thread isn't about parking on hatching is it?!

How many people actually stop to study the comings and goings of supermarket car park shoppers and to judge where they park? How is there even time? Especially with a car full of babies/children/in pouring rain etc.

Well I thought maybe there was some innate decency there Singsong. But obviously you are clinging to your selfish view that no one, regardless of need, should take up a P&C space near the door of a supermarket.

Sparkling They probably have a spread sheet.

Place - Tesco in Hackney
Time - 14:17
Vehicle - black BMW
Car seats - 0
Anger rating - 9/10

I have a feeling you might be right Klayden. Or at the very least a little pocket notebook with a pencil attached with string.

Oh and I haven't had a go directly at anyone for their parking choices because I'm not an aggressive thug who goes around shouting at people!

Sing: I believe you did me last night; but then it must be tiring spending ALL your time on this thread abusing people for daring to park their car and go into a supermarket.

Do people really care? I can honestly say I have never noticed who is parked where in a carpark. My only concern is getting a space, any space, as long as it is not a BB one, getting in, getting my shopping and getting the hell away from the place.

If that means parking in a P&C space with or without the children, then I will do that.

Oh and I haven't had a go directly at anyone for their parking choices because I'm not an aggressive thug who goes around shouting at people!

Sing: I believe you did me last night; but then it must be tiring spending ALL your time on this thread abusing people for daring to park their car and go into a supermarket.

Do people really care? I can honestly say I have never noticed who is parked where in a carpark. My only concern is getting a space, any space, as long as it is not a BB one, getting in, getting my shopping and getting the hell away from the place.

If that means parking in a P&C space with or without the children, then I will do that.

Ted, you talk as if we've met when in fact you don't know me from Adam. Nice. I do know that if someone parks in a p&c space and then jogs into the supermarket they probably didn't need to park there. I do know that if there's a normal space right next to a p&c space and you choose the p&c space without having a small child with you then you are being incredibly selfish.

Very obviously, all I have to go on is your posts in this thread. Based on them, my description of your character was completely accurate. You still haven't said anything to demonstrate that you DO understand others have a greater need for these spaces than people with an 8 year old child who finds seatbelts a bit hard.

They key in the second part of your post is probably. You admit, then, that you actually have no idea about someone's health or need based on the fact that they can jog a few steps into a supermarket? And they might have more of a need for it than you and your 8 year old?

Klayden and Sparkling: is there an app for those sad enough to consider not get a P&c space actually makes their life harder rather than just mildly inconveniencing them?

There must be one. it would not surprise me in the least.

this :)

Twin mum here, who will freely admit to having cried, turned around and gone home having driven to a supermarket and been unable to park ANYWHERE I could get the trolley alongside the vehicle (not just P&C spaces, but end of row or near a pillar etc).

That's specifically because our supermarket carpark is on quite a slope and the Sainsburys trolleys here don't have brakes, so it was geuninely impossible for a while to safely leave one child in the trolley and load the other into the car. I will also freely admit that achieving even the simplest things with twin babies was so overwhelming I cried at the daftest things, so that's not necessarily a proportional response!

The P&C spaces are quite intelligently placed though - with pedestrian access right around the edge of the carpark, but at the furthest end of the carpark, right away from the blue badge spaces.

All that happens though is loads of works vans park in the P&C spaces because it's easy to swing into them, and the rest of the carpark is rammed.

I don't think we need a permit system, but I do think the trolley recovery guys could just keep an eye on their use and ask those blatently without children, or people sat IN their cars there to move on.

I would. I like having them as always more room to get child and car seat and pram out of car safely and put pram next to car safely whilst I get the car seat out or set the pram up without worrying a car is going to get too close to it or having to put pram practically in rd to get everything else out.

Thought the whole point of having them near the store was so it's safer for children to get to the store. I have a 2.5 yo and baby and like that the spaces are close to store as can't trust my toddler to hold onto my hand or the pram while I walk the whole length of the car park often where there are no paths etc. it's very awkward to do that any long distance.

I think some people have just forgotten what a mission it is to do something simple like getting multiple children out of the car safely with everything else you need and into the store. They make me feel much safer.